Those dastardly evil things called antibiotics!

Here are some current news articles in circulation in the UK on those dastardly evil things called antibiotics (or the naughty people that keep using them). You get the flavour of things and things to come.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33970539<

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33970544<

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28134564<

When I first started to write on this site, I found some of the responses and comments confusing. Now I realise that we all live in different jurisdictions. If your name is Froggy and you live in the Ukraine, you can just send someone out to pick up whatever meds you want from your local pharma: no questions, no script. I know it used to be eazy-peezy to pick up abxi in Spain with no script – though I don’t know if that’s the case. I know that those people in Scandinavia have real problems getting abxi prescribed and they cannot legally import. In Britain we can import for ourselves (so long as we’re not importing controlled drugs. I believe in Australia it is not legal to import. I watched a recent program which shows that mere possession of any prescription only medication in the USA is a felony – whether that drug is a mild antibiotic or a class A drug like morphine – it can land you in jail. I believe that prescribing is even more restrictive in Canada than the USA. I am glad I am not in Canada.

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G.

Supaguy, lots of prescriptions given in the UK are totally inappropriate, but unfortunately many people here who are genuinely ill are likely to suffer from the coming crackdown: I suppose that your mate Dame Sally, will before long work to have it made illegal to buy stuff from abroad without prescription, so maybe you had better stockpile a bit.

What realy annoys me is the fact that unless you buy assured organic meat, you are likely to be taking some sort of antibiotic without even knowing about it.  I am sure that this is where much resistance comes from.......................Sarah

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Excuse me, Sarah! Dame Sally is not just my mate; she’s The Girl-of-my-Dreams (especially as shown herself to be a raving feminist too). Yes, I think that Dame Sally and her mates at NICE, like Professor Mark Baker and others, will introduce legislation to outlaw antimicrobials unless the treatment is for themselves or their kind only if they get their way.

(Doesn’t Professor Mark Baker look a mean-spirited character?)

The absurdity is that legislators in one jurisdiction naïvely believe that they can legislate for their tiny sector of the world and this will affect the whole planet. As you quite rightly say, most of the hundreds of thousands of tons of abxi produced annually goes into agriculture and aquaculture. Dame Bint concedes that fact herself.

All being well, I will be off to Spain towards the end of September. When I’m out there, I’ll see if things remain as lax as they used to be.

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G.

“Don't believe everything you read on the internet.”

―    Abraham Lincoln<

Oh sorry Supaguy, I didn't realise that Sal was the girl-of-your-dreams!

By the way, Mark Baker certainly  looks like someone you wouldn't want to come across in a dark alley.

Incifdentally, you can still buy stuff over the counter in Spain, but only enough for say, a week's worth, so you will have to travel the country, buying a week's worth in each town...................Sarah

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

In Australia it is illegal to import any item already available. (If that makes sense). You can import for personal use 3 months supply(I think) of any item not available(not registered). You can import not available stuff for longer term by getting yourself a special permit. These come in 2 flavours a) life saving drugs - new drug for your heart attack etc - which need no prior approval but a hospital can import and use in patient and then doctor fill in forms later for example b) non-life saving which you apply to the govt for your paperwork PRIOR to import....    

Also that all applies to registered medications - there are lists of what would make it registered...  Making therapeutic claims at all (even for a vitamin) would require approval to import for sale. The item would be assessed for quality and safety. ie does it contain what it says, and are there no toxic stuffs in it. Th facility that manufactured it woud need to be assessed for standards of operation. Any therapeutic claim would need to be backed up in some way. Eg If I sell Vit C as Vit C I'm fine... If I sell it labelled as "Cancer Cure" I better have some evidence Vit C may cure cancer or I will be made to take that off the label!

Started NACi Sept'14... 100mg Doxyi Dec'14...  Roxi 13Dec '14 Supplementsi...

Does anyone know what the chances of receiving a package in Australia without it being confiscated? Can you get fined or will you just not receive the item? Feel free to PM your replies.

The clincher if you do it you MUST have a prescription. With a prescription the CAPi antibioticsi are cheap to buy(get the script written for a couple of months worth at once and shop around).

"To purchase or import a prescription medicine in Australia, you must have a valid Australian-issued prescription." from http://www.tga.gov.au/community-qa/buying-medicines-and-medical-devices-over-internet

http://www.tga.gov.au/import-and-export<

http://www.tga.gov.au/form/special-access-scheme<

I would think getting a prescription may need perserverence but  my local GP is a fellow and examiner of the RACGP IIRC and he has MSi patients on CAP. So there are good ethical doctors that will suspend their disbelief or what the professional body hammers into them and will prescribe. Shop around rather than run in with customs etc who can be a little funny sometimes.

In a previous life we imported implant lenses that could not be accessed in Australia... my uncle preferred these lenses but felt in unethical to sell to his patients so we set up a business and they had the choice of us or the regular suppliers of lower quality lenses... Imported AMPOULES of lense in sterile salt solution in a sterile THEATRE pack that cannot be opened by customs gets them thinking... "Ampoule=drug= these are drug runners" Despite the packages being marked as sealed under customs supervision in UK or Japan we ALWAYS had to go wrestle customs for them. At one point I had to threaten them with telling the patient's family to go to current affairs shows when patient would need to say blind as bat for 6 months if they would not hand over parcel on the day before  last day my uncle could operate before he headed off for more training time(and booked out theatre on return)... Suddenly the parcel that was stuck on wharf and MUST be opened there and inspected appeared from under a desk. They had flagged us as "regular" importers and same with the senders. They seemed to get every one. YMMV

Started NACi Sept'14... 100mg Doxyi Dec'14...  Roxi 13Dec '14 Supplementsi...

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