I have never been a fan of the candida diagnosis ND's are so fond of. Having been diagnosed with it about 4 years into my MSi adventure and having recieved treatment with nystatin for several months and being hit with severe bowel issues which never fully resolved while the MS, which was supposedly "caused" by this candidasis, was not impacted at all, I had decided it must be a red herring. It seems every ND in the world (Bastyr in Washington state about 20 miles from me) diagnoses this issue for everyone. The paradigm seems to be got an illness? It's candida. I know people who would not touch a fruit of they were starving based on they theory that your body will have oral tolerance of yeasts in general should you eat the natural yeast clinging to the fruit. There seems to be a lot of mystic, supposition and guess work in this field. I personally have a cousin who has taken antifungals for many (LIKE 15) years to combat his "yeast" issues. He eats almost nothing, constantly complains of brain fog and fatigue, and never gets any better. He would not DREAM of doing the abxi protocol because of course this would just let the candida get out of control. His yeast convictions are so extreme and ingrained everything relates in his world to recent yeast contact or "mistakes" in the diet.
So, I have been reluctant to go into the yeast paradigm at all, yet there has been in recent years more concrete evidence that yeast dysbiosis can be an issue for people especially if they take long term antibiotics and that this does not necessarily resolve simply by not taking antibiotics any more. My own doctor has everyone in her practice take saccharomyces boulardii, which is a healthy yeast that cannot permanently colonize the body but which aggressively displaces candida so it cannot overgrow, to keep the bowels healthy on abxi. S Boulardii also is a treatment used in clostridium difficile, which can be a side effect of long term abx treatment- a terrible consequence as it requires stopping abx to allow healing.
SO there is one thing to use to combat yeast overgrowth secondary to abx treatment.
Jim has mentioned Threelac, a probiotic that encourages as I undestand it lactic acid producing intestinal bacteria which reduces yeasts by creating an unfavorable ph in the bowels.
I'd like to ask others who have 1. experience with yeast issues while on treatment to tell when it developed and how they knew they had it (ie tests?) and 2. people with experience getting better tell how they got better (ie what regiemn or meds or supplementsi). I am wondering if anyone gets better without antifungals and with only supplements. It might be interesting to have a "antifungal supplements" page, A kind of regimen one can do if this develops. Perhaps Dr Powell has a protocol we could list?
Marie
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On CAPii since Sept '05 for MSi, RAii, Asthmaii, sciatica. EDSSii at start 5.5.(early cane) Now 6 (cane full time) Originally on: Doxyi 200, Azith 3x week, Tinii cont. over summer '07, Revamp of protocol in Summer '08 by Stratton due to functional loss; clarithromy
At yeast I can try...
At yeast I can try...
Dr. Powell often has patients use oregano oil 2-3x a day. Turns out by happenstance it also is a luteolin source, a natural antichlamydial.
I've used Threelac, which kills yeast (like the S. Boulardi) but doesn't colonize. You still must use a good probiotic acidophilus supplement daily. Good idea anyway on the abxi.
I've used grapefruit seed extract, caprylic acid, and a whole bunch of other stuff in the past. All kill candida, but aren't enough to do it alone, and you get a distinct die-off from killing candida that adds to the Cpni die off... but brain fog will really improve getting rid of it.
I'm trying a new product touted as being a stronger natural antifungal than any out there, called Kolorex which is extracted from a plant in New Zealand (Horopito extract). I'm just taking one a day at night, but it seems to be helping, and without as severe a die-off reaction as I've gotten with other things. Supposedly if you take it with anise seed, it is even more potent, but I haven't gotten there yet.
I think doing this has helped get me out of the funk I was in, feeling I was in a plateau on the CAP. It was probably yeast getting worse, confusing the issue.
Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Chlamydia pneumonia in Chronic Fatigue Syndromei & Fibromyalgiai- Currently: 150mg INHi, Doxycycline/Zithromycin, Tinidazole pulses. Northern Ohio, USA
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CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 150mg BID Roxithromycin, Doxycycline 100mg BID, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3
Hi Marie, Glad to hear your
Hi Marie, Glad to hear your report. I too used to think that the Candida issue was over diagnosed by the ND crowd. On the other hand, I seemed to have a low level vaginal yeast problem for years when I became ill. I think that Cpni infection (and other infectionsi) must lower our resistance to fungal infections. I have used some of the prescription fungal drugs (Diflucan and Nystatin) and some of the oregano oil and grapefruit seed extract (taste is yucky). I hear that Curcumin is antifungal. When I took lots of it in June I had a die off reaction. Dr. Powell says that die off from fungal infection can be as bad as die off from Cpn. I think he's right!
Good to hear from you!
Raven
Dr. Powell's protocol for Cpn and Mycoplasma P. since 8-05 for MSi and/or CFSi
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Feeling 98% well and going for 100! Still testing + for Cpni since June '08.CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn and Mycoplasma P. for MSi and/or CFSi. Also EBVi and HHV6 NACi, Iodoral, T3, BHRT, Methylcobalamin injections, Nitro patch, LDNi and Methylation supplementsi
Hı Marıa,I took lamısıl
Hı Marıa,
I took lamısıl 250mg antıfungal tablets for 2 months, ı was surprised wıth the dıe-off reactıons because they were as severe as ın cpni dıe-off reactıons at the begınning and the poor man's polyprın test showed a lot of dead organısms (my urıne smelt lıke a bad dead fısh) .I know lamısıl kılled loads of fungı ın my body but ı decıded to stop because ı dıdn't want to be hard on my lıver too much.Now ı take oregano oıl, acidophilus and garlıc to keep candıda under control ..
On CAPi's protocol for Cpn in PPMSi since June 2004
Currently: Doxyi/Roxi, Flagyli pulses
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On CAPi's protocol for Cpni in PPMSi since June 2004 - Currently: Doxyi 100mgx2/day - Roxyi 150mgx2/day - Flagyli 500mgx3/day (Continuous protocol since sept.2006)
I had problems with candida
I had problems with candida for years and intensity of problems depended usually on my overall health. Best situation was, when I was pure vegetarian and did not use contraceptive pills. Now it is worsening again. I have taken Threelac for last two weeks, but till now it is worse and worse, so I will continue with Threelac and hope to see some results soon. I used to use Pangamin, which is B vitaminsi plus healthy yeast Sacharomyces Cerevisiae and then stopped when started Threelac. I saw big die off reaction, when I took fluconazole and it was only thing, which really helped me. I tried grep seeds drops with no effect and I am eating lots of yoghurt and kefir. I am litlle bit tired with permanent fight against candida. Doctors are not willing to prescribe antifungal tablets and oregano oil is not available here. So what to use? I resigned..
Jim, do not you know, if it is good idea to use Grep seeds drops along with Threelac? I am afraid all this together with my abxi will kill Threelac bacterias.
I would really appreciate good anti-candida protocol too.
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol for Cpni and Mycoplasma since 02/18/2006.
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Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since 02/18/2006, CFSi and many problems 30 years (cpni and mycoplasma), 3rd year on protocol- doxyi, azi, tinii pulses
I wonder at those, who
I wonder at those, who were succesfuly treated for cpni and finished treatment candida also dissapeared or not.
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol for Cpn and Mycoplasma since 02/18/2006.
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Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since 02/18/2006, CFSi and many problems 30 years (cpni and mycoplasma), 3rd year on protocol- doxyi, azi, tinii pulses
Lala- A lot of what I
Lala- A lot of what I thought was candida was actually intestinal Cpni, so a lot improved on the protocol. But I also have candida, it's just clearer now what belonged to what. The grapefruit seed extract (Nutribiotic) probably should not be taken at the same time as the Threelac since it is antibacterial and antifungal.
Both Bleu and Guner have had good response to Lamisil for fungal problems. I have not tried it myself. I hope the Threelac improves things for you. Do you get any die-off from it?
Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Chlamydia pneumonia in Chronic Fatigue Syndromei & Fibromyalgiai- Currently: 150mg INHi, Doxycycline/Zithromycin, Tinidazole pulses. Northern Ohio, USA
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CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 150mg BID Roxithromycin, Doxycycline 100mg BID, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3
Well, I have permanently
Well, I have permanently some die off reaction, so it is difficult to say if it is from candida or cpni. My legs and backside is aching a lot, so I think it is more from cpn. I will post again if I see some positive changes. I know candida can cause arthritis too.Thank you for your care, Jim, your advises are real help for me.
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol for Cpn and Mycoplasma since 02/18/2006.
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Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since 02/18/2006, CFSi and many problems 30 years (cpni and mycoplasma), 3rd year on protocol- doxyi, azi, tinii pulses
This has been a long time
Hi Gosh thanks everyone.
Hi Gosh thanks everyone. This is what I hoped to get fromt this post. Raven you and I have similar stories. I thought the candida thing sounded good all those years ago until it was such a big bust for me. My current experience and stall on treatment has got me thinking about it again.
I appreciate the input. No one has yet declared that they were healed of these issues. Guner you alternate abxi and antifungals? Anyone else doing that? Bleu, did you bail abxi for antifungals or are you alternating also? Raven and Jim you both take some supplement style antifungals along with your abx is sounds like.
Jim, do you feel that yeast issues, as overgrowth can be a direct side effect of long term abx treatment, would be an appropriate page to add? I'm thinking of adding a link off of the research pages called "Yeast issues" or something and linking on there our collected research, starting with the one that shows that h pylorii is made -incredibly enough- sensitive to flagyl by using antifungals.
Good idea, or is it too much of a subject off topic for us do you think? DOes this matter to many of us or just a few?
marie
On CAPi since Sept '05 for MSi, RAi, Asthmai, sciatica. EDSSi at start 5.5.
"Color out side the lines!"
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On CAPi since Sept '05 for MSi, RAi, Asthmai, sciatica. EDSSi at start 5.5.(early cane) Now 6 (cane full time) Originally on: Doxyi 200, Azith 3x week, Tinii cont. over summer '07, Revamp of protocol in Summer '08 by Stratton due to functional loss; clarithromy
You probably don't want to
You probably don't want to hear this, because I don't have a yeast problem at all and never have had, but I just wanted to point out that not everyone does and if they take due precautions they can go through a long periods on antibioticsi without getting one. I don't want it to appear to newcomers that a fungal infection is inevitable. A colleague of David's said when he told her what we were doing, "But aren't you worried about thrush?" Well, no, because if you start without yeast problem and take a few acidophilus capsules and/or some live yoghurt, you should never get a yeast problem, even on all these antibiotics, and I didn't.......Sarah
An Itinerary in Light and Shadow Berger.
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How do you know? I'm
How do you know? I'm pragmatic about it. There are tests, but not very accurate as far as I know. You try a course of antifungal supplement which would not otherwise have any antibacterial effect (so you are not getting an antichlamydial reaction), like caprylic acid or undecylenic acid or oregano oil and see if you have a die-off reaction (worsening of some significant symptoms). Grapefruit seed extract is also antibacterial, so would not be a good discriminant test. Since not all species are sensitive to the same agents, probably good to try a couple weeks at least with more than one of the above if you have no reaction to the first. These are all over-the-counter and safe, stay in the gut and kill yeast there. You can, of course, try courses of diflucan, sporonex or lamisil. These work best for systemic candida infectionsi and may not be as effective for intestinal candida where they are not effected as much by blood carried medicine
If you have regular vaginal yeast infections, thrush or chronic fungal infections of nails etc., it is more likely you have intestinal candida too.
Since the symptoms may overlap with Cpni and other ailments, it's hard to do on symptoms alone. Almost everyone I know with CFSi/FM also has candida problems (in addition to Cpn) and so this may be something common in the immuno-compromised.
Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Chlamydia pneumonia in Chronic Fatigue Syndromei & Fibromyalgiai- Currently: 150mg INHi, Doxycycline/Zithromycin, Tinidazole pulses. Northern Ohio, USA
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CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 150mg BID Roxithromycin, Doxycycline 100mg BID, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3
> This has been a long time
> This has been a long time question of mine, and still no one has said how they know they have a yeast problem. How do I know?
I developed it visibly on my tongue within several days of starting my first-ever abxi treatment (doxyi + ceftin). Despite taking yogurt and probiotics - from the very beginning of taking the abxi I think, but am not 100% certain.
Basically I could scrape it off my tongue and it had a scent just like bread dough. Thats as far as I took the identification of it. I also developed some at the "south pole" with strong symptoms of itching - not really the most delightful thing to hear about, but I'll address the details if someone wants them.
However, as for overgrowth within the intestine, which is proposed as a contributer to systemic symtpoms in various disease states, I am in the same position as you Golfbuddy. I'm aware of no means of verification of either [A] the hypothesis that such intestinal overgrowth contributes to systemic symptoms, or of [B] the hypothesis that it is doing so in a given person at a given time. However, someone I know has discussed IgAi candida titers; maybe you could ask her what kind of data (if any) stand behind the value of that test (I wouldnt just assume that its meaningful, as everyone is colonized with candida and maybe everyone has some IgA against it). I've also heard of people getting blood levels of something (antibodies?) measured.
> I wonder at those, who were succesfuly treated for cpni and finished treatment candida also dissapeared or not.
Essentially, yes, in my case. The yeast I had down south causing bad itching etc have been completely undetectable for near a year. I still have a variable amount on my tongue, but its fairly little. And I dont know what kind of candida levels I may have or have had intestinally, but given my lack of any bad reactions to abx, and the large degree to which my systemic disease has retreated during abx treatment, I dont think my own illness has had much to do with yeast. (Tinii could theoretically kill yeast according to a paper by the Brorsons, but I conclude that is not happening in my case because going on tini causes my tongue yeast to spike.)
Its neat to see yeast recede with abx treatment, and hard to avoid the conclusion that it must probably reflect general improvement in immunocompetence.
Others like Bleu with a strong response to antifungals are obviously most likely killing some parasite with those, and clearly fungi are the first candidate there. Whether any bacteria could conceivably be harmed by those particular antifungals, I dont know much about, altho F. Schardt has presented some quite indirect evidence that fluconazole for one may be active on borreliae (in vivo only).
I took lamısıl everyday
I took lamısıl everyday along wıth abxi for 2 months, ı know Bleu took antıfungals (lamısıl and fungızone) wıthout the abxi.
On CAPi's protocol for Cpni in PPMSi since June 2004
Currently: Doxyi/Roxi, Flagyli pulses
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On CAPi's protocol for Cpni in PPMSi since June 2004 - Currently: Doxyi 100mgx2/day - Roxyi 150mgx2/day - Flagyli 500mgx3/day (Continuous protocol since sept.2006)
How do I know I have yeast
How do I know I have yeast problem?
1. cultivation, it is usually cultivated from vagina in women, but it can be cultivated also from mouth and swab anal and whichever part of body, with which you have problem, if it is not normal cell, but fibre making stage it is always harmful form
2. for me is quite useful Threelac saliva test, it usually corresponds with intensity of my problems
3. if you see some characteristic lesions on your skin, dry and light brown
4. if you have itching, which quickly responds to pure antifungal salve localy
I usually can see yeast by my eye, there are long white fibres floating in my saliva, urine..I think it was proved many times, that these symptoms are sign of intestinal candida also. I can look for some scientific sources.
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol for Cpni and Mycoplasma since 02/18/2006.
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Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since 02/18/2006, CFSi and many problems 30 years (cpni and mycoplasma), 3rd year on protocol- doxyi, azi, tinii pulses
RE: Oral yeast. After
RE: Oral yeast. After starting NACi, my tongue got scummier than it was already. Taking acidophilus may have helped me in other places, but not in my mouth. However, when I started allowing the acidophilus tablets to dissolve in my mouth over a period of minutes, the scum went away and so did the "morning mouth." I do this after both the morning and bedtime dental hygiene regimens. Also, my long-time dry mouth problem has improved. I guess the acidophilus just needs a little direct colonization opportunity. Cypriane
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Joyce~caregiver-advocate in Dallas for Steve J (SPMSi). CAPi since August 06, Cpni, Mpn, B. burgdorferi, systemic candidiasis, EBVi, CMV & other herpes family viral infectionsi, elevated heavy metals, gluten+casein sensitivity.
Oh! Cypriane, funnily
Oh! Cypriane, funnily enough, my mouth stopped feeling scummy in the morning with taking doxycycline et al. Make of that what you will.
Sarah
An Itinerary in Light and Shadow Berger.
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About fungi- there is a lot
About fungi- there is a lot of disscusion about fungi in recent time, so I wrote down my personal list of antifungals, which people find out useful. Maybe it could help somebody else also. Here it is:
Antifungals
Fluconazole
Lamisil
Nystatin
Grep seed extract
Caprylic acid
Kolorex
Tanalbit
Threelac
Oregano oil
Olive leaf extract
Curcumin
Calendula oil (my personal variant)
If you have something to add, pls do it. Every good experience is welcomed.
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol for Cpni and Mycoplasma since 02/18/2006.
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Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since 02/18/2006, CFSi and many problems 30 years (cpni and mycoplasma), 3rd year on protocol- doxyi, azi, tinii pulses
Thanks, Lala. You've been a
Thanks, Lala. You've been a great encourager for collecting our scattered bits into handy lists like this. At some point, any guest editor is welcome to pull this together, we should have a page in the Handbook on yeast co-infectionsi and useful ways of managing them. If you see my latest blog, it turned out that sneaky yeast build-up was a big factor in my feeling on a plateau in the CAPi process. Maybe we can give it an acronym, SYS (Sneaky Yeast Syndrome) or the more scientific SFU (Sureptitious Fungal Undermining), or the more alliterative UFA (pronounced like 'loofa,' Underhanded Fungal Attack).
Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Chlamydia pneumonia in Chronic Fatigue Syndromei & Fibromyalgiai- Currently: 150mg INHi, Doxycycline/Zithromycin, Tinidazole pulses. Northern Ohio, USA
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CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 150mg BID Roxithromycin, Doxycycline 100mg BID, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3
Lala, I appreciated the
Lala, I appreciated the graphic you posted a while back showing how to test for oral candida. I was wondering...do you know whether or not we can get fungal infectionsi in our eyes? I have alot of trouble with dry eyes, but sometimes it seems like I have a scummy film over my corneas, particularly by the late afternoon. My dry mouth seems wetter and the tongue scum is gone since I started dissolving acidophilus tablets in my mouth. I'm not planning on putting acidophilus in my eyes, but there seems to be a possible parallel between what was going on in my mouth and what is still going on with my eyes. Thanks, Cypriane MS caregiver and care advocate - Dallas, Texas, USA....."Enter through the narrow gate.....small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Matthew 7:13-14
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Joyce~caregiver-advocate in Dallas for Steve J (SPMSi). CAPi since August 06, Cpni, Mpn, B. burgdorferi, systemic candidiasis, EBVi, CMV & other herpes family viral infectionsi, elevated heavy metals, gluten+casein sensitivity.
Cypriane, I really do not
Cypriane, I really do not know. I wonder also..I have the same problem. Sometimes I have horrible itching in my ears and eyes but I do not know, if it can be candida or not. I suppose it can be, because this problem dissapeared at me after oral antifungals ( I was not on any abxi in those months).
Btw: today I am on Threelac for three weeks, taking 2 sachets per day and I again experienced candida atac. I will increase dose to 3 sachets to see, if it helps.
Jim, which dose did you find out to work for you on Threelac? And also, did you find Kolorex stronger than Threelac or not?
Thanks.
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol for Cpni and Mycoplasma since 02/18/2006.
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Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since 02/18/2006, CFSi and many problems 30 years (cpni and mycoplasma), 3rd year on protocol- doxyi, azi, tinii pulses
 Thanks for the insight,
Thanks for the insight, Lala and everyone else. I had been wondering how those light brown lesions on my skin fit in to the whole picture!
Started CAPi in June 2006 for treatment of brain fog and memory issues, allergies.
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On CAPi since June 2006 for high blood pressurei, nasal allergies, restless legs, memory and cognitive problems. Currently: Stopped daily treatment in July 2008 and am now taking three weeks of the CAP antibioticsi (doxyi 200 mg/day; azith 250 mg. M-W-F; Flag
Lala- I can't judge the
Lala- I can't judge the strength of Kolorex against other things, but it has been effective for symptoms without as severe a die-off as other things. 1-2 packets of Threelac were usually enough for me to suppress symptoms, but I think it was time for me to try something different. I would say, though, that if you are not getting improvement on three packets a day (which they recommend for significant candida problem) then it's time to try something else.
I have to say that I don't know how reliable the saliva test really is. I've never seen anything which compared the degree of stringyness to any actual measure of candida. It's just presented as a diagnostic with no data.
Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Chlamydia pneumonia in Chronic Fatigue Syndromei & Fibromyalgiai- Currently: 150mg INHi, Doxycycline/Zithromycin, Tinidazole pulses. Northern Ohio, USA
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CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 150mg BID Roxithromycin, Doxycycline 100mg BID, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3
Thank you, Jim. I know this
Thank you, Jim. I know this saliva test is not very scientific, but in my case it really corresponded with intensity of my problems, so that was why I used it more often then. I will add fluconazole to threelac after few days. I hope this problem will not be worsening and will improve as time on CAPi will go..Thank you for your constant help very much.
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol for Cpni and Mycoplasma since 02/18/2006.
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Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since 02/18/2006, CFSi and many problems 30 years (cpni and mycoplasma), 3rd year on protocol- doxyi, azi, tinii pulses
After noticing a continuous
Fungal Defense
As you can see it contains mostly Oregano, something I was never able to take prior to starting NACi and abxi as it would cause me to flush like crazy. Thankfully, as with many or really most of the other things that used to make me flush, it no longer seems to cause this problem.
Anyway, I took the Fungal Defense according to the directions on the bottle (1/2 dose for 2 days and then full dose for 13 days - while not taking my normal probiotics), and noticed it seemed to help with symptoms almost immediately (within the first day or two), but then I'm thinking it was about a week into taking the Fungal Defense, I got hit with a bout of really horrible stomach troubles (of the kind John has described and then some). It lasted for several hours one evening and I felt weak the next day, but then recovered to finish out the 15 days on the product uneventfully.
The hacking cough, increased skin rashes, heartburn, and a slight increase in stomach troubles and fatigue all seemed to have gone away nicely when I noticed a couple of days after completing the Fungal Defense that my rashes came back again, probably worse than they had been for several months, and I noticed some nasal congestion after my NAC doses which meant to me that it was now killing something again. This continued for a week or so, and I kind of felt like I had taken a couple of steps back in treatment, so I decided after reading DW's page on NAC again to double my dose to the full 1200mg twice a day.
Although I've had transient congestion (for a couple hours after each NAC dose) for a week now after doubling the dose, this seems to be subsiding now, and the extra NAC seemed to clear up my extra rashes almost overnight (definitely within the first couple of days). I now seem to be doing better than ever. Yahoo!!!!
Although I will take the Fungal Defense again if I notice a return of symptoms, I'm hoping the extra NAC might help prevent this from happening again. Based on my experience with the Fungal Defense seeming to cause a bit of a step back in progress, I don't want to take something like it regularly in case it really is hindering progress (it's hard to tell, but I hadn't experienced stuffiness after taking the lower dosage of NAC since early treatment). For now, I'll stick with the probiotic and extra NAC.
Anyway, hope my experience might help someone else...
On Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Cpni in Rosaceai since 01/06
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Thanks Red, I will save
Thanks Red, I will save your comments and condense them into some information for the Antifungal and Probiotic chart, if that is alright with you. It will give people who might want to try Fungal Defense something to base their decision on and and something to compare their reactions to.
Michele: on Wheldon protocol since 1st May 2006 for a variety of long standing ailments, also spokesperson for Ella started Wheldon protocol 17th March 2006 for RRMSi
Sussex, UK
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Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 6.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006
Absolutely Michele. Â
Absolutely Michele. Thanks. I hope my experience might help someone else who notices similar symptoms popping up during abxi treatment (continuous hacking cough, increased skin rashes, heartburn, a slight increase in stomach troubles and fatigue that seemed to increase with each flagyli pulse). Like many others, I was very skeptical of the fungal connection to some of these symptoms, but I thought I had nothing to lose by giving it a try. And it seemed to work really well for me after recovering from what I'm assuming was a bit of a step back in Cpni treatment. I'm now feeling GREAT, better than ever...
On Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Cpn in Rosaceai since 01/06
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I AM BUMPING THIS UP FOR
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On Wheldon protocol for MSi since April, 2006. doxyi 200 mgs daily, zithromax 250 mgs 3x/ week , Flagyli Pulses start end Sept., LDNi 2004. Gad-enhanced MRI of brain and spine shows NO NEW DISEASE ACTIVITY and one lesion diminishing in size on 9/30. Ma
The Candida Issue .... My
The Candida Issue ....
My sister was into that for a while. She has FMSi and was told by a ND that it was due to candida so my sister went through the whole candida-cleansing diet thing with all the supplementsi, etc. While she was on it she tried to convince me that candida was at the root of all my respiratory ailments, especially since I had recurrent sinus infectionsi. The frequent use of abxi for sinus infections had surely left my system just loaded with candida! I've never been convinced of the candida hypothesis so before I was going to spend the time, money, and effort "cleansing" myself of candida I wanted to make sure it was there. So I went to my doctor and asked him do lab tests to see if I had candida. He thought I was nuts but agreed to run the tests anway. They came back negative.
Btw, my sister's FMS never improved from the anti-candida campaign. Years later she is seeing a different doctor and is on a abxi treatment. Her FMS symptoms improved significantly after a few months on abx and continue to improve as she continues with the abx treatment.
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GFAi - asthmai, sinusitis/rhinitis, tendonitis, low back pain, hypothyroid. Started azi 1000mg/week Jan 9, '08. Increased azi to 250mg/day, added 20mg Benicar daily Mar 13, '08. First Flagyli pulse started June 30, '08. Added Doxyi 200mg/day Aug 16.
I'm trying to find info on
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FMSi/CFS 1995. tinnitusi, ibsi, sinusitis, EBVi, NACi 2400mg, valtrex, cortef, armour, doxy, azith, flagyli, calcium pyruvate, vita c 10,000 daily, etc.
Lynn, I know you're
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The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi