EB- Elementary body

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Infectious, spore-like, nonreplicating form of Cpn which accumulates in intracellular spaces, attaches itself to body cells, and invades them.

My new dr

My previous LLMD who was my CAPi prescriber moved out of state and I transitioned to another dr in the same practice group. Yesterday was my first appt. I was a bit apprehensive to change the dr but I am happy now I must say.

My new dr has a different approach to the disease in terms of that he treats whole body. If my previous provider just gave me CAP rx, this dr wants to address all my conditions - hypoT, hypertension">i, nutritional issues, wants to check heavy metals as well. He even asked if I have a ObGyn and do regular pap smears.

Why can't you treat CPN with NAC alone?

If NACi prematurely opens the EB's so that they die, and CPNi spreads through EB's infecting new host cells, why can't you just simply use NAC to treat CPN?


I mean, you could just make sure you have a constant high level of NAC in your body, until all infected cells die off and let their content (EB's) fall out, which are instanyl killed.


I mean, of course there must be some kind of explanation why, if not, CPN would simply be treated with NAC. But I can't see why it wouldn't work, theoretically. Could anyone please explain this to me?

Intermittant Protocol

Intermittant Thereapy~~~ There recently have been quite a few who have gone to intermittant therapy (hurray!).  I know in recent discussions comments are made "to refer back to their individual posts" to see what that consists of.  It is difficult sometimes to query this site for such specific information re each member.  

Chlamydia pneumoniae--a new causative agent of reactive arthritis and undifferentiated oligoarthritis.

Chlamydia pneumoniae--a new causative agent of reactive arthritis and undifferentiated oligoarthritis.
J Braun, S Laitko, J Treharne, U Eggens, P Wu, A Distler, and J Sieper
Department of Medicine, Klinikum Steglitz, Free University of Berlin, Germany.
This article has been cited by< other articles in PMC.

Should I take the Amoxiciiliian???

My poor body is protesting again. Basically, I have been ill since November 3rd with a severe bout of bronchitis, almost as bad as when I first became ill in Nov. of 2006.

Doc told me to double up on my azith and take it daily -- which I did. I also became SEVERELY constipated being in bed most of the month. Was starting to have "spells", nausea other wiggy symtpoms, so I took milk of magnesia... I got relief but it also threw my colon into spasms. Luckily I had some hycosomine from a previous "spastic bladder" after a bladder scope. The drug helped the spasms which I am contining to have 2 weeks later. I continue to have nagging pain in left descending colon area and splenic flexure area.

Something Viral or different NAC?

For the past week I have been struggling with what appears to feel like a chest cold (or those  CPNi elementary bodies are reactivated?)  This is such a strange feeling, in that, even though I have been "sick" with all the repercussions of the protocol, I haven't had anything like a cold, flu, or viral type illness since being on CAPi.  I have been running a low grade fever, coughing and feeling very flu-like.  Considering I don't get out of the house much, if it is viral my husband probably brought it home.

Antibiotics to be available without prescription

This is the news:  In England, possible antibioticsi to be sold over the counter, to treat CHLAMYDIA!

This is the story form http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/aug/06/health<

Oral antibiotics are to be made available for the first time without doctor's prescription under guidelines approved yesterday by the medicines regulator.

A pill to treat chlamydia, the most commonly diagnosed sexually transmitted infection, will become available for purchase in pharmacies across England later this year.

Blood Cell Infection?

I am a bit confused.  I have read that the EB's can be carried on red blood cells, but can they invade and infect red blood cells becoming RB's?


Barberry Herb & CPN

Paula has been taking Samento as I have said in previous posts since April 2007.  As she slowly increased the dose to the full dose back in July 2007, this was when her mucal discharge from her nose and ears started.  (She didn't have any of this prior to Samento)

After talking to our Lyme doc, he agreed that Samento may be killing the EB's before Paula even started taking NACi in November 2007.

Reading up on the other herbs distributed by Nutramedix, it lists the herb Barberry as being good for cpni.

I just thought it was worth posting these links:-


Amoxicillin & NAC


After Paula has taken her 14 days of Ivermectin in the new year, she will start on the Amoxicillini 500mg twice per day.  By then she will also be on 2400mg of NACi.

She has a 2 month supply of Amoxy.  It was suggested in an earlier post that maybe the doc has perscribed Amoxy, knowing she is already taking NAC, to give the EB's a big kick where it hurts!

Paula would rather not take the Amoxy full time because there will be enough die-off of good bacteria with the other abxi's that she will be taking eventually (even with taking acidofilus).

So I have two questions to ask:-

1) Should we continue the Amoxy after this two month course (We will be taking the 2400mg NAC every day anyway)?

Bursting a lot of EB's at once

Hi all,

I'd like to know, what is the physical sensation of bursting a lot of EB's at once?

I have a good reason for asking - related to the quote Daisy managed to pull up from the Stratton patent regarding the use of dithiol reducing agents to counter EB's.

many thanks,


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