Sliding....

An update for the record.

 

After 2+ mos. off the abxi, I reluctantly had to admit that I have a new, deteriorated baseline. 

 Ugh.

 

 On top of that I was worsening rapidly by the day, so restarted Azith 250 M-W-F.   It has always made me feel better in the past, so am hoping that will happen once again.  [??]

 

With the exception of two trips to the cabin, I have rarely left my office bedroom.  Too weak and discoordinated.  My good leg is now as bad as the other.  I've also noticed upper body weakness.  I feel essentially like a quadraplegic.  Brushing teeth, washing up, shampooing all require much effort.  Daily hygiene often takes a backseat to my energy limitations.  My standards have been lowered.  Almost anything I take[supps/meds] brings on such severe clonusi that I am rendered completely useless. 

Severe neuralgia down my sciatic nerve in my good leg is unnerving.  Twice my usual dose of Trazadone and still have insomnia.  Ibuprofen/tylenol don't even touch it.  Burning pain and numbness are constant and distracting.

 

I had blood drawn for a lyme and co-infectionsi test this week.  Sent it across the border to Neuroscience Labs in Wisconsin.  Not sure what to expect--results will take a couple weeks.  I had a neg lyme/co- panel with Biotek 6+ yrs ago.

 

I feel a though I'm slipping away. 

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Wheldon Protocol for rrmsii since Oct '05.  Added LDN 4.5mg qhs Oct '07.  All supp's.  Positive IGGii's for Lyme Disease,Babesia, & Erlichiosis Sept. 2008.  Currently:  Mepron 750mg bid and Azithromycin 250mg qd for Babesia.

KK2 - You're not.  You're

KK2 - You're not.  You're right here, with us. Let us know how the azith works out.

I think I'm going to join you in that same testing venture. I'd rather go after anything and everything now, while I'm still in a pill-taking frame of mind. Wink  I'll send you my results, once I drag my derriere out to the doctor's office for the draw.

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The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

KK2- I, for one, won't let

KK2- I, for one, won't let you slip away! I really do understand your frustration that the CAPi has not halted your symptomatic slide, and I'm glad you are getting mobilized to pursue any co-infectionsi that might be part of the puzzle of your treatment process. I'm thinking of Marie Rhodes, I'm sure you too have been puzzling together, and I think one of the critical things is to not wait too long to change up meds, supportive supplementsi, angle at co-infections and so on. If you see a trend in symptom slide it's time to change up what you are doing. We'll stay with you through puzzling out this process. Hang in there.

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CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 150mg BID Roxithromycin, Doxycycline 100mg BID, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3

Kitkat, we're hanging on to

Kitkat, we're hanging on to you so you won't slip away .

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Combined Antibiotic Protocol minocycline, azithromycin, metronidazolei for muscle pain, insomnia, interstitial cystitisi, sinus, disphonia, dry eyes, stiff neck, veins, thyroid, TMJ.

Kathy, I am so sorry that

Kathy, I am so sorry that you are still like this, after your decorating the hall earlier this year and everything.  I do feel that going without abxi since June is too long, though, just to counter severe porphyriai.  If you still carry a live infection it could be having a field day by now, so if I was you I would have at least restarted plain old doxyi and azith, then gradually build up to something else.  Porphyria can surely be controlled at the same time and stopping all abxi obviously hasn't made you any better.

There, that's four of us for starters who won't let you slip away, but that's only the four who have responded so far.............Sarah 

An Itinerary in Light and Shadow

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Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after nearly four years, three of which intermittent.   Still slowly improving and no exacerbation since starting. EDSSi was 7, now 2, less on a good day.

KK2, remember what we say?

KK2, remember what we say? Once we have had a return of a function, we KNOW it is there - it may be lurking, but it is there beneath the mountains of debris. With a combined effort, we will move that heap, with you leading and us pushing like h__l! So...get started.

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Rica PPMSi EDSSi 6.7 at beginning - now 2. Began CAPi Sept, 2004 with Rifampin 150 mg 2xd, Doxyi 100 mg 2xd, added regular pulses Jan 2005. Jan 2006 switched to Doxy, Azith, cont. flagyli total 55 pulses LDNi Rifampin 8/08 again NC USA

Hi KK2, Sorry to hear your

Hi KK2, Sorry to hear your break from the ABXi has resulted in further exacerbations.   But as others have said it just shows what happens when we don't fight the bugs.   I think you should explore all avenues and find out about other co-infectionsi.   I also think like Jim that you should consider asking your doctor about changing your protocol to other Cpni effective drugs.  I don't know much about the processes here but I have heard others talk of the efflux pumps, which means that the cells become efficient at reducing the concentration of ABXi within the cells.  New drugs may be more efficient.

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Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 6.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

I am sorry you are not

I am sorry you are not feeling better - very frustrating! I am glad you are getting tested for coinfections and hope that you have one only because it will push your doctor to mix up your meds. Also, I felt worse off abxi when I was off for a month - I think you will feel better in a few weeks once you are back on them. I have not heard of that Wisconsin Lab.

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On Wheldon protocol for MSi since April, 2006.  doxyi 200 mgs daily, zithromax 250 mgs 3x/ week , Flagyli Pulses start end Sept., LDNi 2004. Gad-enhanced MRI of brain and spine shows NO NEW DISEASE ACTIVITY and one lesion diminishing in size on 9/30. Ma

KK2I haven't been at this

KK2

I haven't been at this long enough to offer much help.  Just wanted to send you positive thoughts.  When you get back at the antibioticsi would it be helpful to change the protocol, maybe using different antibiotics to help with porphyriai, etc?  Just a thought...

Lori 

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Started Vanderbilt protocoli 1/9/08  Rifampin twice a day, azithromycin MWF, Tindamax for 7 days out of a month at 250 mg three times a day,  b12 injection monthly NACi daily, DHA, calcium pyruvate, prilosec, low dose naltrexone 4.5 mg

KK2,I don't know what else

KK2,

I don't know what else to say, except you're not alone! I have been in the same condition as you describe for 4 months, now. I don't know what we can expect with our lab results. I just had blood drawn, too (11 vials in all), some sent to the MDL pathogen specialty lab. It might be interesting to compare notes with results.

 

Unlike you, I had only taken a 2 week break from CAPi. Exactly because of what Sarah is recommending to you. Yet, I wouldn't count on restarting it to make much of a difference in your current condition. As it hasn't in mine. Have been told that I am just going to have to wait it out. That it will eventually go. That switching ABXi or adding new ones, won't improve things/make much of a difference. (Isn't this what Dr. Stratton has been advising?)  But what Michele is suggesting about the efflux pumps might be worth consideration.

 

Also, maybe our lab results will reveal henchman viral infectionsi. Maybe viral infections have taken over? Just in case, I've started Valtrex. Although, I don't know that I'm experiencing any improvement, because of it.

 

But please know, we are waiting it out, together. And, that we are doing so with all this wonderful support of the others, here. They really won't let us slide away Smile

 

--Minai

 

 

RRMSi, diagnosed 2/04. NACi 4/06. Started Wheldon/Stratton regime 8/30/06. Doxycycline, 8/06, Azith, 10/06. Switched to Roxithromycin 11/06. Psuedo relapse/die-off with hospitalization 1/07. GAD-enhanced MRI of brain and spine shows NO NEW DISEASE ACTIVITY. LDN 4/07. 1st Tinidazole Pulse, 8/11/07. Keflex 2/08. IV Rocephini 3/08. IV Clindamycin 5/08. USA

kitkat~I'm sorry that you

kitkat~

I'm sorry that you are feeling so poorly.  

You are wise to also check for other causes of your illness.  You are already checking for lyme and co-infectionsi.   That is one place to start.  Also consider getting tested for different viruses...HHV-6, EBVi, etc may be players too.

Hang in there.....Timaca

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Diagnosed with lyme disease 3/05. Diagnosed with chronic HHV-6, EBVi, VZV, and HSV1 6/07. Diagnosed with CPni 5/08. On antibioticsi for 2+ years, Valcyte (antiviral drug) for 9 months. Currently on 100 mg doxyi bid for Cpn and acyclovir for viruses.

hey kk2,sorry you are

hey kk2,

sorry you are feeling crappy.  I have you in my prayers & am glad you are going back on the abxi.  It is important to leave no stone unturned whether it viral or bacterial.

could it just be the die off aftermath take it's time to clear!  maybe, go crazy with the moppers for an extended period of time to catch it up?

I will see my doc in the next few weeks & have been wondering the same thing, do some retesting from 2.5 years ago- including lymes& company & a few others when I go back down to AZ.

you are not alone!  I am so glad you are here!

peace

r

 

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CFIDSi/ME 32 yrs, FMSi, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, H1, chronic insomnia, Lymes, HME, Natural HRT peri-M, NAC 3 gm, Full CAP 6-2-08, all supplementsi +Sea Kelp, Chitosan Pulse 16 1-4-09 1gm Flagyli/day-3 days

kk2, This cursed disease of

kk2, This cursed disease of MSi! I can't believe how many people have been flattened by it's effects. It's hard to find hope amid all of the pain and dissappointment. I feel myself grieving the loss of who I used to be sometimes. I had dreams and so did you of what you were going to do with your life and the difference you would make. Now we rely on others to care for us and we cannot contribute even to our own existance let alone the difference we wanted to make in the lives of others.

Don't lose the hope. We need you here. I, for one, appreciate you so much. Do what you can to fight. It's hard to fight when you are flattened, but if you can gain any energy from us here in this community, bleed it out of us; we will survive. I am glad you are here and wish I could give you something to hold on to you so you don't feel like you are slipping away. God bless you this day dear one.

 

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SPMSi< Supplementsi & NACi, Doxyi 200 mg, Azith 250 mg 3X/wk, most suppliments, currently Flagyli 1500 mg x 4 days once per month

Kathy,  Your cause was my

Kathy,  Your cause was my special intention at Mass yesterday, and I prayed a rosary for you too.  You even had a powerful team of saints praying for you whose help I enlisted.  You are loved and supported, by the seen and the unseen, so you are floating even when you feel you are sinking.  May the comfort of all the above comments bolster you for the battle ahead. 

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Joyce~caregiver-advocate in Dallas for Steve J (SPMSi).  CAPi since August 06, Cpni, Mpn, B. burgdorferi, systemic candidiasis, EBVi, CMV & other herpes family viral infectionsi, elevated heavy metals, gluten+casein sensitivity. 

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