"Salt and Vitamin C"

I think Red, Ruth and Reenie made some comment on this treatment adjunct for Lyme disease.

I just found it interesting because I remember talking to a guy a couple of years ago who was very knowledgeable about different ME treatments - some were way-out on a limb, but interesting.

One he mentioned was salt water!!  This was introvenous in some way if i recall.  Perhaps, one had to go to a special clinic in America to have it.  Basically, you just got a lot of salt water in your system somehow ... don't remember the details.

I asked him how it worked and he said the theory was that evolutionarily we came from salt water and presumably a return to it is good in some way.  i think there must also be some reference to salt's healing properties.  swilling with salt water is good for tooth infectionsi, and I remember my mother swam in the Red Sea years ago and a rash she'd had on her skin for months suddently cleared up the next day.  Is it a similar rationale for Lymes?

Anyway, I digress.  Is the anti-bacterial action of Salt and Vitamin C behind this idea of a treatment for Lymes.  I was feeling curious about this.

blackfoot. 

 

p.s. by the way i have never added salt to my food (!) so perhaps I should start!

 

 

 

Blackfoot, my doctor told me to take unrefined sea salt in water as a way to rid my body of toxins like bromine while starting Iodine therapy. Iodine and unrefined sea salt are indeed a powerful combination. Changing the ph of body fluids can help to discourage bacteria but it is not a cure.

If you want more info on Iodine therapy and sea salt, you can go to Dr. Brownstein's site and order these two books: "Iodine: Why You Can't Live Without it" and" Salt: your Way to Health "

http://www.drbrownstein.com/default.asp

Combine iodine/salt therapy with FIRi sauna and vitamin Di and you already have a powerful prescription for helping the body rid itself of pathogens. (Not to mention the added benefit of cancer prevention) This will not do the complete job however if you have a persistent Cpni infection--the CAPi is also needed. But in MHO, the more you can throw at these vermin, the better!!!

Raven

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

thanks raven, i am continuing with CAPi, but these adjuncts (e.g. Salt, Vit D, vit C, sauna etc,) could be helpful, i am wondering.
M.E./CFSi 20 years, intermittent.  Wheldon Protocol - Started NACi and supplementsi Sept 2007. Doxyi and Roxy full dose by Dec '07.  First Flagyli pulse January 2008.  Changed to Tinii in December 2008.  Stopped CAPi in February 2009 at pulse 16.

blackfoot,

I've heard of this treatment before but I've never tried it.  I don't know much about it other than what I've read so I pulled up this page for you, which explains that the salt is believed to be bactericidal and at these large doses may be doing some bacteria killing.  

They don't use sea salt because of the large daily intake, mainly.

NACi 2.4g, Zithi 250mg/MWF, minoi 200mg, Tinii 5day/1g/5 pulses, Valcyte
Supplementsi, CFIDSi/FMSi, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBSi, Sec Addisons

Don't believe everything you think!  
thank you reenie, speed-read the article and enjoyed, sounds at least interesting.
M.E./CFSi 20 years, intermittent.  Wheldon Protocol - Started NACi and supplementsi Sept 2007. Doxyi and Roxy full dose by Dec '07.  First Flagyli pulse January 2008.  Changed to Tinii in December 2008.  Stopped CAPi in February 2009 at pulse 16.

salt raises elastase which raises ll37 antimicrobial polypeptide---this causes severe herxes in infected people..ll37 is a very strong amp(antimicrobialpolypeptide)..catelicidin

the theory was published in the townsend newsletter for doctors

cheers chris

cfsi,lyme,fibro..bartonella,chlamyd pn and trach,ricketsia,coxiella,hhv6,ebvi

did jadin protocoll,marshall protocoll,npow on doxy200mg every day,metronidazole 1stpulse 8 days,start AZitr on saturday 21.11.08

The sea salt and Vit C article/link is very interesting!  They are using the salt as an antibiotic - to make the environment inhospitable for the bacteria.  The Vitamin C is for cell rebuilding.  "For centuries people consumed approximately 20 grams per day due to the way foods were processed and personal taste".   Those on the salt/vit c protocal are recommending 8-16 grams each salt (tablets) and vitamin C per day, spread out throughout the day, and a full glass of water with each gram/tablet serving.  The FDA recommends only 2.4 grams!

I wonder if those on the salt/vit c treatment experience high blood pressurei?  Or does taking the full glass of water with each gram of salt prevent that?  It would be interesting to find that out.  Maybe high blood pressure could be resolved by drinking more water rather than lowering sodium? 

Could this be yet another case where federal organizations are blitzing us with advice that has unforseen negative repurcussions?  ie 'stay out of the sun' and 'always wear sun screen' - which of course as we believe has in great part led to the illnesses many of us have, because we then lost the Vitamin Di that we needed to fight pathogens and prevent these chronic infectionsi.

Kelly

Diagnosed FMSi Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NACi, 100 mg Doxyi, 500 mg Amoxicillini, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyli pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAPi June '07. 

Hi, my doc - MD supports this treatment & his wife & son have used it for Lymes.  The material I have about it says to build up gradually, which makes sense considering it will kill parasites & who knows what else.

 I have to do some more reading as to the length of treatment time, haven't had a chance to read through completely the little information bundle doc gave me.

 peace

r

 

CFIDSi/ME, FMSi, MCS, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplementsi+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyli/day-5 days<

I tried the salt and vitamin c before I found thhe cpni website, when I was at Mayo the told me salt was my enemy so I went very slowly and kept a close eye on my already extremly swollen body, I had no additional swelling or edema and only kept this up for two weeks, it causes a lot of intestinal discomfort.

The info I am reading is this is a short term deal - not long like our abxi.  72 hrs to 2 wks max at a time depending on how one does on the ramp up & with the permission of your physician.

Build up slowly & we are prepared for die off here with the moppers so I am hoping it isn't tooo terrible.  Have to drink lots of water of course so the salt gets to the deep tissue where the Lyme bacteria can be.

CFIDSi/ME, FMSi, MCS, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplementsi+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyli/day-5 days<

Ruthless, What other instructtons did your physician give to your regarding your Salt and Vitamin C treatment?  I too saw this in early web browsing and signed into an internet group to hear more but I did not find it of interest.    Could be that there is more to it than I could see at that time of my investigations in treatment options.  I hope you will be able to blog about the experience.  I found the internet group a bit to casual in their discussions about treatment.  Of course I was not an active member, not doing the treatment.    I think it was a yahoo group back in Summer of 2007.   

Anyway, I will be looking for your blog about it if you start one as I have not followed much about that approach.  Like Daisy said, keeping an open mind brought her to this site.    So I am trying to keep an open mind about the Salt and C approach.

Have you ever considered switching to Tinii?  It is really easy on my system to take full pulses, some of the unpleasant side effects seem to reported less and my understanding is that Lyme Cysts need longer and stronger pulses than just Cryptic CPni does.   I say this because I notice in your signature 16 pulses at less than full dosage and less than 5 days.  Just a thought.   Louise

 

  • CAPi(TiniOnly): 06/07-02/09 for CFSi
  • MethylationProtocolSupplements: Started08/08
  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDNi 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support

salt c to clear lyme takes about 1-3 years ..just as any antimicrobial treatment--go slow..start with one gram each..raise slowly as herx allows!

 

it is not so much the osmotic effect but the ll37 wich does the killing!!

 

do the capi properly!!

do some salt maybe up to 6 gramss..after one year at full dose of cap try raising salt dose,,this will not overwork your body..

then slowly keep increasing up to roughly 14grms for a 75 kilo person

lg chris

 

cfsi,lyme,fibro..bartonella,chlamyd pn and trach,ricketsia,coxiella,hhv6,ebvi

did jadin protocoll,marshall protocoll,npow on doxy200mg every day,metronidazole 1stpulse 8 days,start AZitr on saturday 21.11.08

The literature my doc gave me is called "The Lyme Disease Remedy Report" 1st Edition Copyright 2005 Barton Publishing Inc.  it references everything from Lymes itself, recognition, prevention, cleansing, supplementsi ( many we take..yay), Lymes in pets & Alternative protocol, the 72 Hr remedy & pharma info.

I will let you know what happens when I start.  Due to the reactions I have with flagyli, I may put the pulses on hold until I see what my toxin/porphyric reactions will be.  Of course, there is the liver to consider.

The recommended salt is CMC, Consolidated Midland Corporation NDC#0223-1760-01?  This is recommended while trying to eradicate Lymes & then switching to sea salt for regular salt intake.  There is interesting info about what has been taken out of salt since the 30's for commercial pictures - including Lithium!

All for now.

peace

r

 

CFIDSi/ME, FMSi, MCS, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplementsi+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyli/day-5 days<

I located Consolidated Midland Corporation's website but can't figure out which of their products is the NDC#0223-1760-01 that they recommend:

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=consolidated+midland+corp.&tag=googhydr-20&index=hpc&hvadid=1098246281&ref=pd_sl_5z9y8attyj_b

The idea of creating a salty and inhospitable environment for the bacteria is intriguing, and it makes sense that they would want to escape. 

Kelly

Diagnosed FMSi Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NACi, 100 mg Doxyi, 500 mg Amoxicillini, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyli pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAPi June '07. 

Salt and Vit C Protocol Info -- FWI worth... here's some info from a forum.  I think it sounds interesting too.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=52765

 

From experimenting with the treatment of salt and vitamin C, we settled on a dosage of 3 grams of salt and 3,000 mg of vitamin C, each dose taken 4 times per day.Depending upon one's weight this would approximate one gram for each ten pounds of body weight. We think total daily dosage should not exceed 18 grams of salt or Vitamin C per day, and 15 grams would be the average adult's dosage for a full 24 hour period. If the pills cause a problem they can be crushed or dissolved in water. To get an idea of the dosage, one teaspoon equals 5 grams; thus, one tablespoon would equal 15 grams. Please remember to drink plenty of water. The brand of salt pill we use is CMC (Consolidated Midland Corporation), NDC#0223-1760-01, ordered through a pharmacy (no prescription required). The brand of salt is not important, only its purity; do not use salt with any additives, such as table salt . And the vitamin C used is a GNC product, though any good quality vitamin C pill should work. We have no relationship with either company.


The brand of salt pill we use is CMC (Consolidated Midland Corporation), NDC#0223-1760-01, ordered through a pharmacy (no prescription required). The brand of salt is not important, only its purity; do not use salt with any additives, such as table salt . And the vitamin C used is a GNC product, though any good quality vitamin C pill should work. We have no relationship with either company.

JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

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