Questions on candida diet and CPN

I was able to see a specialist for my GI issues and it was recommended to go on the candida diet. The diet is used to starve the yeast by not eating anything related to carbs or sugar. I've been on the diet for a little over a month with very good success. My only concern is this is not a good diet for having CPNi.

Has anyone tried the diet? What are some implications for no carbs while treating CPN?

 

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Here is a link to a Candida

Here is a link to a Candida Diet;  http://www.yeastconnection.com/<

and here is another; http://www.womentowomen.com/digestionandgihealth/Guidelinesforfollowingayeastfreediet.pdf<

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Hi Raven, I tend to have

Hi Raven, I tend to have very large die off symptoms with all the yeast remodies and I have read that the Candex breaks the yeast walls without the harsh effects. I will have to look into ordering it.

Lala, In regards to your question on NACi and hydrogen sulfide gas. I was always telling my doctors I was allergic to any sulfa medications before I even started the CAPi. It was very difficult for me to take NAC and was frustrated to my reactions. I later found out that NAC can be hard to tollerate for some who are sulfa sensitive. When you have digestive issues and you gut is producing this HS2 gas then adding anything with sulfur will cause more painful gas and symptoms. Their are suppliments that are good for assiting the body to dextoxify the sulfides/sulfates. The doctor has me on Molybdenum Picolinate to help regulate this problem.

The candida diet has also started to make a noticable difference in my symptoms. I am sorry to hear how you are having gut symptoms and I hope you start to have improvement.

 

 

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Hi Bonnie, I have been

Hi Bonnie, I have been fighting yeast for a while and found some powerful weapons in Candex and Lauricidin. I really like Candex as it has enzymes that breakdown the walls of yeasts. Really works! I take two caps in the morning on an empty stomach.

However,if you are taking any timed release medication like compounded T3, it is best to take Candex far away from the time you take T3. So I have had to adjust the timing. Taking it right before bedtime works for me.

 

Raven

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Thank you for such an

Thank you for such an interesting and long post, Horses. What do you think about NACi in relation to HS2 producing bugs? Does not NAC support this unfriendly environment?

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 "The candida diet to

 "The candida diet to reduce and kill off extra yeast in the GI tract. I have started making my own home made yogurt for healthy probiotics. Then it's also important to use anti fungals along with this treatment. I have started to use nystatin, grapefruit seed extract and monolaurin."

Sure sounds like you are getting ahead of the candida.  Are you using a commercial yogurt starter?

Thanks for the names of the digestive enzymes recommended to you.  

Have you tried Kefir yet?  I have seen commercial starter for that milk product.   I am able to enjoy the plain variety of both yogurt and kefir. 

Were you recommended a specific form of the candida diet (I think there are a number of views on how to do that one)?

Thanks for your detailed reply.

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I have been using many

I have been using many different approaches for treating my candida problem. Here is a list of some of the materials that have been helpful and/or prescribed by my doctors.

First let me explain what happens when your gut is out of balance:

 Injured intestinal lining: Small cells in the intestinal lining where food is broken down and absorbed are no longer able to make certain enzymes that break down certain carbs.

 Bacteria overgrowth: The carbs that are not broken down well start to serve as a food source to yeast and bad bacteria. This can produce a toxic gas that further damage the intestinal lining. It is also know as hydrogen sulfide gas and causes damage to cells within the body. Many who have "rotten egg" smelling gas have HS2.

  Mucus secretion: In order for the gut to attempt to protect itself it produces mucus on the lining of the intestines. This makes it difficult for the digestive enzymes to break down the undigested food particles. This causes even more yeast and bacterial overgroth.

 Malabsorption: Intestinal injury and bad substances within the gut make the intestines unable to obsorb food. The result is weight loss and lack of nutrients to the body.

 Immune response: The body then goes into chaos trying to fix the injury. The immune respone cause a inflammatory reaction that effects the entire body. This is a cause for many autoimmune conditions. A good test to find out if you have intestinal damage is a IGAi blood test. 

 Leaky gut: The small cells on the intestinal lining that block out the bad bacteria from entering the blood stream has been compromised by yeast and toxic bacteria. The intesines become permiable and are no longer able to protect the bacteria and yeast from taking hold and causing damage. This can be the start of food allergies and a vicous cycle of problems.

 

 

In attempts to fix the problems associaled with IBSi. leaky gut, candida and bacteria overgrowth here are some solutions that were recommended to me.

1.  Broad spctrumm digestive enzymes. I use Similase or Acti-Zyme two taken before each meal.

2. Hydrocholoric acid support. Betaine suppliment. One or two capsules before each meal.

3.Gut healing nutrients and herbs. Glutamine, 2,500mg twice a day. It is a nonessential amino acid that is fuel for the gut lining. The gut is known to be able to repair itself every three to five days. I also use Quercitin, 500mg twice a day. It is very good to reduce inflamation and it is full of bioflavonoids.

 

 The candida diet to redcue and kill off extra yeast in the GI tract. I have started making my own home made yogurt for healthy probiotics. Then it's also important to use anti fungals along with this treatment. I have started to use nystatin, grapefruit seed extract and monolaurin.

 One of my physicans has me use a oxygen concentrator at 5 l/m with a nasal cannula and this does wonders for killing anerobic bacteria.

 

It is also important to check for heavy metals; mercury and yeast seem to go hand in hand. 

 

I hope sharing my experience is helpful.

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In addition to PaulJ's

In addition to PaulJ's advise: Probiotics

Probiotics (usually bifidobacterium and lactobacillus) are the good bacteria in the gut to keep unwanted bacteria from spreading. You need to refill the good bacteria every day.

And safe starches (like plantains and sweet potatoes, many people are OK with rice) are needed in order for the bacteria to thrive. The problem with restricting carbs is: Less carbs, less bacteria in the gut. Besides that the good bacteria do very helpful things for you (like converting a part of the thyroid T4 hormone to T3), they "boost" the immune system. The reason is that if you eat very low carbs, you have less bacteria and the immune systems lays back, because it sees that there are not enough bacteria in the gut. So the immune system reacts and gives ALL the bacteria (and probably the fungi as well) a free pass, including the bad guys - ups.

And especially while on antibiotics it is very helpful to refill the good bacteria.

Avoiding excessive sugar (and especially fructose) is helpful too, because it can lead to bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine. That's one of the differnces of starch and sugar. Starch is converted into glucose later on in the gut, where the bacteria can feed on a part of it. Sugar is available for the bacteria as soon as it leaves the stomach.

So refill with the good guys and give them some food in the form of safe starches.

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Bonnie, Could you post some

Bonnie, Could you post some links to the various approaches that have been suggested to you or that you have found? 

I am particularly interested in what your GI Specialist suggested coming from the allopathic perspective. 

Louise

addendum   http://www.yeastconnection.com/<

I found an early version of this book back in the 90's and started following it then.  May be why I had less problem with candida than most, when tested for it via blood test at the time I was tested for CPni I was totally negative at that time, (2007)    Guess I am one of the luck one's not to have had candida overgrowth while on CAPi.  

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I am still weighing the many

I am still weighing the many options for diet restrictions for contoling candida. Thank you for your input on what was helpful in your treatment success. It is very difficult to keep you gut healthy while on antibioticsi and for some of us the yeast can become a huge problem. 

 I like the no yeast breads...sounds wonderful to someone who misses their mashed potatoes and biscuits.Wink

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I was reccommended an

I was reccommended an Anti-Candida diet that was Yeast free, Sugar free, but I didn't have to restrict my carbs that much.  I found bread that was yeast free and gluten free, I ate rice crackers that were plain and unseasoned.  I found it incredibly useful, the Candida cleared up for the first time in years and I lost weight (added bonus).  most importantly I was able to tolerate my initial treatment for Cpni easier that most probably before the diet.  I remained on the diet for 6 months and now I monitor very careful what I eat, although I do eat well due to food intolerances.  I had to go on something before commencing treatment as people with Cpn are usually highly sensitive to changes and meds and I had reoccurring Candida infectionsi, amongst other things.

 My diet involed a list of foods I could eat 'Freely', 'Cautiously' and 'Avoid Completely'.  It involved lots of fresh fruit (excluding melons and grapees), veg (no potato or starchy veg, no pulses etc) just lots of green leafy veg.  Proteins, nuts, seeds and fresh sprouts and plenty of water.  I could also have 'cautiously' millet, buckwheat, tapioca, rice, noodles, pasta and yeast-free bread.  Bread and biscuits that were sugar and yeast free were acceptable.  Depending on my tolerance levels etc, my doctor agreed that 'Cautiously' would be a couple of time a week.

 Along with the diet of course, I was on Antifungal antibioticsi, acidophilus, multivitams and minerals.

Maybe try adding a little more carbs that are yeast free and sugar free to you diet and see how you go 

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I disagree with that advice.

I disagree with that advice. Every time I restricted carbs severely my fungal infectionsi flared up, and every time I ate more starch they quieted down. The trouble is zero carbs starves the immunei system too. Some keys for me were: 1) Adequate starch and protein. 2) No fructose of any kind. Also no alcohol, wheat or other grains except rice, and minimal omega-6 fats. No soybean oil, corn oil, safflower oil, canola oil. 3) Coconut oil. 4) Threelac. 5) Iodine, zinc, copper, vitamin c, selenium, vitamin di. I take 25 mg/day iodine now, but build up slowly. 6) Fermented foods, cranberries. 7) JeanneRoz suggested horopito and that seemed to be helpful. PS - No carbs is good against Cpni. Bad against fungi though. If you have a significant fungal issue then you won't be able to tolerate a zero-carb diet. Best, Paul
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