In the abscence of blood tests or a diagnosing Doctor, has anyone here done the NACi [1] test to see if you have a reaction which suggests the Cpni [2]?
I was reading through David's excelent website and came across this test but have some questions:
1) Does it cause unecessary suffering? In other words should one just try the antibiotic protocol first rather than go through weeks or months of suffering from the NAC?
2) Do you have to take the vitamin Di [3] as well?
3) Can you just try the NAC/vitamin D for a few days and stop as soon as you get a reaction?
4) Once a reaction occurs should you just carry on with the NAC/vit D until symptoms subside and then start the full protocol?
Kittykins
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Switzerland/Belgium ME/CFSi [4]i [4]/FM since 1995 Hypothyroid Addisons
Mercury poisoning -(Andy Cutler Protocol)
Links:
[1] http://www.cpnhelp.org/chlamydia_pneumoniae/supp
[2] http://www.cpnhelp.org/glossary/term/167
[3] http://www.cpnhelp.org/chlamydia_pneumoniae/vita
[4] http://www.cpnhelp.org/glossary/term/163
[5] http://www.cpnhelp.org/taxonomy/term/46
[6] http://www.cpnhelp.org/glossary/term/168
[7] http://www.cpnhelp.org/taxonomy/term/63
[8] http://www.cpnhelp.org/taxonomy/term/38
[9] http://www.cpnhelp.org/glossary/term/170
[10] http://www.cpnhelp.org/taxonomy/term/6
[11] http://www.cpnhelp.org/taxonomy/term/39
[12] http://www.cpnhelp.org/taxonomy/term/41
[13] http://www.cpnhelp.org/taxonomy/term/44
[14] http://www.cpnhelp.org/glossary/term/164
[15] http://www.cpnhelp.org/taxonomy/term/24
[16] http://www.cpnhelp.org/taxonomy/term/19
[17] http://www.cpnhelp.org/glossary/term/120
[18] http://www.cpnhelp.org/chlamydia_pneumoniae/an_0
[19] http://www.cpnhelp.org/taxonomy/term/125
Many of us here began with
Many of us here began with taking NACi [1] in increasing doses over time, some had fluey type reactions and some didn't. Some had a sinus pressure and headaches but some had no reaction at all until they took the max dose of 2400mg. It's not a definative test but then many of the medical tests for CPNi [2] aren't foolproof either.
NAC is antichlamydial for the EBi [5] stage as well as being liver protective which is why it's part of the CAPi [6]. Starting with this as well as the other supplementsi [7] prepares the body to handle the antibioticsi [8] later on when they are introduced. So no you don't stop taking NAC after you get a reaction, if you do. If you add D3 to the mix at the start you may be inviting a much brisker reaction than is necessary early on - I find D3 is hard on me so have had to take that slowly in ramping up to 4000iu a day.
The Getting Started pages should explain all this more clearly for you and NAC really doesn't cause suffering, you may just get a runny nose.
New Forest, UK. Progressive MSi dx 12/06 LDNi [9] 3/07 CAP 6/07: Wheldon version. Pulses so far #10
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Progressive MSi [10] dx2006. LDNi [9] & CAPi [6]: Wheldon version. All supps. Doxyi [11] 200mg. Zithi [12] 250mg. Metroi [13] 400mg.Pulses #10/16...I can because I think I can.
I kind of had to giggle.
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
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The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
yes, I ditto what MacK
yes, I ditto what MacK says!
CFIDSi [14]/ME 32 yrs, FMSi [15],
IBSi [16], EBVi [17], CMV, Cpni [2], chronic insomnia, Lymes, HME, Natural HRT peri-M, NACi [1] 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, Pulse#10 1000 mg 3 days & 750mg 2 days, 5-17-8___________________________________________________________
CFIDSi [14]/ME 32 yrs, FMSi [15],
IBSi [16], EBVi [17], CMV, Cpni [2], chronic insomnia, Lymes, HME, Natural HRT peri-M, NAC 3 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, Pulse#15 750 mg X 5 days 11-1-081) Does it cause unecessary
1) Does it cause unecessary suffering? In other words should one just try the antibiotic protocol first rather than go through weeks or months of suffering from the NACi [1]?
Actually its the other way around. Rather than going to the hassle of a therapeutic trial of antibioticsi [8] its far easier just to try NAC which is an OTC food supplement.
2) Do you have to take the vitamin Di [3] as well?
No this shouldn't majorly affect the way you react to NAC.
3) Can you just try the NAC/vitamin D for a few days and stop as soon as you get a reaction?
Yes absolutely. But make sure you are reacting to the NAC not the vitamin D. I'm guessing that Vitamin D could be cidal against other pathogens, but as far as we know NAC only targets chlamydiae. So if you only take NAC, and react then you know you have a chlamydia infection.
4) Once a reaction occurs should you just carry on with the NAC/vit D until symptoms subside and then start the full protocol?
You could do. But personally I would get started with the full protocol ASAP once you have verified that Cpni [2] is indeed your problem.
CFSi [4]. Started CAPi [6] 03-07. Currently: Roxi 600mg + Doxyi [11] 200mg . Tinii [18] pulses 1000mg. Sauna QOD. D 8000IU. Niacini [19] 3 x 500mg. Mel 3mg.
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