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Qkam,  I had writhing abdomenal pain when first taking Doxyi.  The answer for me was to take it with a full meal.  Such as eggs, bacon, oatmeal.  And a full supper with fat and protein.  Also to note I take it in the middle of the meal so there is food under and over it.  For me it is was most inportant.   Some folks, many folks, never have a single complaint about Doxy in their stomach.  Sounds to me like you could try my solution, not just once but for a good number of weeks.

LouiseCFS/ME.CPni positive.Bb positive.

6/24/07WheldonCAPstartedDoxy&NACi.

11/3/07Roxi150mgBIDadded.

1/15/07Cont.Cholesty.atBedtimeForFatigue,Brainfog,mood.

1/30/08 Tinidiazole pulse #4 in progress.

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Louise-CFSi, CPN+/Bb+ Wheldon CAPi 6/07, Cholestyramine1-2pksHSforPorphoria& Endotoxinsi, Doxy100daily,Roxi300BID,Tini500mgBIDpulses,VitD3-4000IU,MagnascentIodine,{S.O.D.3/QD[KAL Brand],+Pyruvate3.75G+SAM-eForEnergy}

Also take doxyi with at least 8oz of water I havenever hed a problem when I drink lots ofwater. BarbaraNAC and glutathione push for years Lots of supplementsi (all supplementsi in protocol)IV vitamins b1-12,C50gm,magDoxy200 10-/14/07, NAC 2400Doxy200mgAzithMWF10/29/07 MSi flagyli 1day 500x2 11/23/2007

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NACi and glutathione push for years all supplementsi in protocol)IV vitaminsi b1-12,F10/29/07 roxy300,doxy200,rifampin300aziyh mwfMS flagyli 1day 500x2 11/23/20074th pulse 2.8.081500mg 8days 7/08 finished 10th pulse on 300 rifamp bid, doxybid 7/2008

Well Jak, you are amongst the lucky bodies that has an easy time with Doxyi, I envy you.  I do drink fluids with my meals.

Louise CFSi/ME.

CPni positive.Bb positive.

Started /24/07WheldonCAP.  Doxy, Roxi, Tinii pulse #4 currently in progress. 

Cholestyramine 1 packet at Bedtime  for Porphoria and die-off symptoms of Fatigue, Brainfog, mood.

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Louise-CFSi, CPN+/Bb+ Wheldon CAPi 6/07, Cholestyramine1-2pksHSforPorphoria& Endotoxinsi, Doxy100daily,Roxi300BID,Tini500mgBIDpulses,VitD3-4000IU,MagnascentIodine,{S.O.D.3/QD[KAL Brand],+Pyruvate3.75G+SAM-eForEnergy}

hmmm, maybe do a search.  I think someone here said that we think there might be too much acid in our tummys when actually there isn't enough & it helps to take enzymes like WobenzymN???  Check it out as it might have been the fog!!!

CFIDSi/ME 25yrs, FMSi, IBSi, EBVi, Cpni, (insomnia - melatonini, GABA, tarazadone, triazolam, novocyclopine, allergy formula, 3 gm tryptophan), Natural HRT peri-M, NACi 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, 1-3-08 5th pulse 1 X 375 mg 4day

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CFIDSi/ME 32 yrs, FMSi, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, chronic insomnia, Lymes, HME, Natural HRT peri-M, NACi 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, Pulse#13 1240 mg X 3 days 8-7-08

I think it has to do with stress at work and maybe too much stomach acid and not enough enzymes and the doxyi is swimming around in all that mess.  I think i will try to take it in the middle of the meal and I usually drink plenty of water-  but I really think i need to stay away from anything with spice of any kind  -   I need to find some cooling foods to keep my stomach calm and cool  during all this stress.    anyone know any cooling foods?  thanks

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EBVi;hvs6; CPNi igGi 1024; HEP C in remission;high lead and mercury counts; medically senstive; medication. 2.5mg lexpro 3 x a week; vital ingreidents multivitamin;nadh;was taking corvalen Dribose, but i coulnd't sleep although it helped with energy.<

The trouble with fire in the stomach is that it can be caused by either too much acid, not enough or even a suppression of mucous production in your stomach and it is difficult to tell which it is.

I have not had many problems with doxyi, but NACi and Flagyl have been unbearable at times.   Here are the things I have tried:

cutting out wheat products: this helps me but possibly because I am gluten intolerant

Betaine HCL: a herbal hydrochloric acid similar to stomach acid that you take with meals; it works for some but did nothing for me.

Cimetidine:  is a histamine H₂-receptor antagonist that inhibits the production of acid in the stomach (Wikepedia) but you will have to get your doctor to prescribe that.  That helps.

I have found that I don't get this heartburn as frequently or as severely as I used to, but it took quite a while to learn how to cope with it and for it to subside to a manageable level.   Anti acid tablets and chewimg gum help me cope on a day to day basis when the discomfort is high. 

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

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Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

i think it is too much acid as yesterday i started belching up acid (i think it was acid)  and my mouth is breaking up in the roof and on my lips..  I feel like a volcano is exploding.. .   I can see the cartoon now!  I'm gonna try pepto bismo.. 

has anyone heard of the stomach virius that is ofen associated with CFSi?  I read about it in a newsletter but cant remember the name right now.

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EBVi;hvs6; CPNi igGi 1024; HEP C in remission;high lead and mercury counts; medically senstive; medication. 2.5mg lexpro 3 x a week; vital ingreidents multivitamin;nadh;was taking corvalen Dribose, but i coulnd't sleep although it helped with energy.<

Here is a link to a report you might recognise.

Or maybe you are you thinking of H. pylorii although it is not a virus (info from wikipedia)?

Helicobacter pylori  is a gram-negative, microaerophilic, and acidophilic bacterium that infects various areas of the stomach and duodenum. Many cases of peptic ulcers, gastritis, duodenitis, and perhaps some cancers are caused by H. pylori infectionsi. However, many who are infected do not show any symptoms of disease. Helicobacter spp. are the only known microorganisms that can thrive in the highly acidic environment of the stomach. H. pylori's helical shape (from which the genus name is derived) is thought to have evolved to penetrate and favor its motility in the mucus gel layer.

The treatment for H pylorii uses metronidazolei (Flagyl) as one of its drugs.

Classes of Drugs used to Treat H. pylori

Another remedy I read about regarding oesophagal inflamation is Slippery Elm, which apparently stimulates mucus production.

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metro pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

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Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.  Mohandas Gandhi

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The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

Enterovirus infection of the stomach (EV)  according to this article in the ProHealth newsletter.. they say the full story is avaible at 

http://press.psprings.co.uk/jcp/september/cp50054.pdf

i spend all day at the computer so I dont like to be sitting here along time when I get home... Ihaven't read the article yet but wanted to pass it along.

as far as my stomach..i decided not to take anything today- no medication other than pepto and it didn't really help.  

 i remember when i was taking alot of amoxicellin at one time before I had bad stomach problems.    I dont like this.   :( 

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EBVi;hvs6; CPNi igGi 1024; HEP C in remission;high lead and mercury counts; medically senstive; medication. 2.5mg lexpro 3 x a week; vital ingreidents multivitamin;nadh;was taking corvalen Dribose, but i coulnd't sleep although it helped with energy.<

Q, I know how unpleasant this is.   I don't like it either, but you have to learn to manage it.   First of all these symptoms when you do try to manage them take a few days to subside, so don't give up yet.   Secondly in my experience the oesophagal pain is probably associated with Cpni infection for in my case the worst of it comes when I am taking Flagyl.   Thirdly, again in my experience cutting out certain foods helps, for me grain seems to aggravate it, which is a bit of a bind since we are supposed to a high carb diet to counter porphyriai.

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

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Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

thanks for the support,  

the pain is too intense, i think my doctor may have to switch the antibotic..  and it spreads up my chest and out into my arms- all the burning.   

i read that i am not supposed to take doxyi within 2 hours of any mulitvitaim or caliculm..and I have been taking with my vitaminsi with my meals.  

I also read that stomach pain with low fever are severe side effects and not good ones.

last nite i tried zantac.. it helped untill i took the doxy - it also seems to bring low grade fever-  i thought i was gonna die.   i'll hopefully talk to my doc on Monday, he charges $60 a phone call if it goes over 5 mins  -bummer.  not looking forward to that.  

sometimes i have quiona instead of wheat..   i dont think it is considered "wheat"    

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EBVi;hvs6; CPNi igGi 1024; HEP C in remission;high lead and mercury counts; medically senstive; medication. 2.5mg lexpro 3 x a week; vital ingreidents multivitamin;nadh;was taking corvalen Dribose, but i coulnd't sleep although it helped with energy.<

No Quinoa is not wheat.   Wheat is the worst for me, but any other grain commonly used for bread will also aggravate any pre-existing heartburn.   Rice is OK for me but rice cakes can be a problem.  

I hope you get this sorted out soon. 

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

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Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

i dont usually get heartburn except this week follwoing the doxyi.. is heartburn a side effect of the anitibotics??   do you do brown or white rice, does have you noticed a differnce with either?

I hope i get it sorted out too.  thanks!

q

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EBVi;hvs6; CPNi igGi 1024; HEP C in remission;high lead and mercury counts; medically senstive; medication. 2.5mg lexpro 3 x a week; vital ingreidents multivitamin;nadh;was taking corvalen Dribose, but i coulnd't sleep although it helped with energy.<

Taking Doxyi with multivitamins or calicum, maybe that was my problem -  I recently read this  "Do not take iron supplementsi, multivitamins, calcium supplementsi, antacids, or laxatives within 2 hours before of or after taking doxycycline. "    ..    does anyone know why ?   I wonder if this was causing my reaction? 

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EBVi;hvs6; CPNi igGi 1024; HEP C in remission;high lead and mercury counts; medically senstive; medication. 2.5mg lexpro 3 x a week; vital ingreidents multivitamin;nadh;was taking corvalen Dribose, but i coulnd't sleep although it helped with energy.<

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EBVi;hvs6; CPNi igGi 1024; HEP C in remission;high lead and mercury counts; medically senstive; medication. 2.5mg lexpro 3 x a week; vital ingreidents multivitamin;nadh;was taking corvalen Dribose, but i coulnd't sleep although it helped with energy.<

Qkam, Healing from CPNi, particularly if you have a large bacterial loadi, is not fun.  I have to eat protein, fat, and carbohydrate with each doxyi dose I take.  It is very effective and getting weller, particulary early on can be not much fun.  Yet for me it was the only choice and I am wayyyy much better now.

Louise

CFSi/ME.CPnPositive.BbPositive.

Started6/24/07WheldonCAP.On Doxy, Roxi,

2/3/08TiniPulse#4DayFiveCompleted.

BeginningToNoticeTheEffectsNow.  Cholestyramine1packetBedtimeforPorphoriaandDie-offSymptomsOf Fatigue,Brainfog,MoodDisturbances,Balance disturbance FromApoptosis

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Louise-CFSi, CPN+/Bb+ Wheldon CAPi 6/07, Cholestyramine1-2pksHSforPorphoria& Endotoxinsi, Doxy100daily,Roxi300BID,Tini500mgBIDpulses,VitD3-4000IU,MagnascentIodine,{S.O.D.3/QD[KAL Brand],+Pyruvate3.75G+SAM-eForEnergy}