Need Opinions Please..

My husband has had several relapses with pneumonia over the past 5-6 months.  Just received positive serologyi for cpni last week.

He is now finally been taking the dual antibotics (avelox and doxycycoline) for 8 days.

He seems to be improving very slightly...

Due to the fact that he has only had the pneumonia,would you advise us to follow through with Dr. Strattons protocol to eridicte the cpn comletley and avoid future issues?

 I would love to hear all your opinions on this.

Thank You,



Sandy, I too feel that the

Sandy, I too feel that the CPNi has caused the repeated pneumonia. I would suspect that the CPN has been in your husbands body long enough to 'make it their home'..I definately would recommend the protocol. I think short course of antibioticsi my stop the pneumonia's, but unfortuantely CPN has set up shop in your husbands body. So secretly and maliciously the CPN will slowly take over his cells, get into organs, etc, and you will not even know it until he has CFSi, thyroid problems, BP problems, MS. etc.

I think you are so fortunate to know that he has CPN. Hopefully starting protocol now, he will have easier time on the protocol and maybe not need to be on it as long.

Just an edit note to say I found my daughter in a situation a little similar to your husbands, but not really. I had my 11 yo daugther tested for mycoplasma as well as CPN. She had no symptoms. I was testing her for a baseline since I felt that I had myco and CPN before I got pregnant. Well, to my complete surprise, she had mycoplasma in the acute stage.  My doc and I decided to place her on 2 months of antibiotics.  We estimate that she may have only had myco for about 5 weeks. But my point is that with how destructive cpn and myco can be on our bodies, it better to error on the cautious side, instead of the wait and see approach. Of course, your husband has had it alot longer and will need to be on antibiotics alot longer. 

Mphs, TN. CFS, hypoT (Hashi), weak adrenals, 37 w/hormones of 80 yo. right arm neuropathy. + for cpn, myco, EBVi, CMV. on NACi 3600mg, doxyi 100-2xday, azith 250 m/w/f/sun, estriol, progesterone, synthroid, and pulsing w/flagyli.

Mphs, TN. CFSi, hypoT (Hashi), adrenal fatigue, hormonal inbalance. right arm neuropathy-getting better. cpni, myco, EBVi, CMV, HHV-6. Capi began in 6/07. NACi 2400mg, minoi 100mg bidi, biaxin 500mg bidi. cytomel, flagyli bid continuously.

 Sandy- Others have covered

 Sandy- Others have covered the issues already about Cpni persistance. I'd add that if he has any evidence of Cpn related disease (eg heart diseasei, high Cardiac Reactive Protein, high cholesteroli, chronic sinusitusi, etc., etc) this might suggest that he has had Cpn for longer than this acute episode. As you get familiar with the diseasesi it has been connected to, you can get a better idea of whether any of this has been in his history. Then you would have good reason from history, as well as overcoming the persistencei problem, for doing a full CAPi. Another indicator-- has he had any negative reactions to this course of meds?

CAP for Cpn 11/04. Dxi: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Protocol: 200mg Doxyi, 500mg MWF Azith, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D1000 units, Cytotec 100mg, Plaquenil 100mg, Magnascent Iodine 12 drps/day, T4 & T3


CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dxi: 25+yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 250 aithromycin mwf, doxycycline 100mg BIDi, restarted Tinii pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3, 6mg Iodoral

Avalox (or Avelox) is

Avalox (or Avelox) is moxifloxacine; a fluoroquinolone. It is not very effective for Cpni. Your husband probably has a Cpn infection (which tends to be recurrent) and that is why I would use the abxs and protocol for Cpn. Nino: French Riviera, Cpn pneumonia june05 (misdiagnosed). Self diagnosed-treated. Sept.06 found doctor who confirmed Cpn, prescribed Zit 500mg every added NACi, supplementsi, metron.pulses, 200mg Doxi.

Nino: French Riviera, Cpni pneumonia june05 (misdiagnosed). IgGi 1:1024. Minoi 100mg bidi, Zithi 250mg every other day, NACi 2.4g, Metroi 500mg bidi pulses.

If the CPni has established

If the CPni has established itself in his immunei system, then any site that has had an injury or inflamation will be converted into a "CPn factory." (Stratton's description). The result will vary depending on the system that's infected. Some are very difficult to detect in the early stages, and difficult to treat when advanced (the coronary arteries come to mind.)

The relapses make me think that it might be worth looking for a doctor that 's willing to explore a more aggressive, long-term approach.


On CAPi for CFSi starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA)

Currently: doxyi & zithi -- continuous; metronidazolei -- 5 days on, 7 days off.

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On CAPi for CFSi starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA)

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Currently: on intermittent

Sandy, Welcome to

Sandy, Welcome to Cpnhelp.   It will take time and patience but searching this site will eventually give you many answers to your questions.   Cpn is Cpn and given your husband's recurring condition I (not medically trained person) would say that a combined antibiotic protocol is something he would benefit from.   If you have a doctor who is prepared to work with you and Vanderbilt that would probably be the best solution for you.   The important thing to remember with Cpn is that two weeks of antibioticsi will not do the job.   You have to view the treatment of Cpn as being similar to the treatment of tuberculosis, ie multiple antibiotics over a long period of time.  

Try searching the Vanderbilt website for Dr Stratton's e-mail address.   I know that they are happy to talk to doctors about the treatment.   And of course there is a lot of information here you can refer your doctor to.

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse.

My opinion is that nearly

My opinion is that nearly every adult aged forty to fifty would likely benefit from at least a year's worth of this protocol. I know that sounds extreme, but I'd rather have protection against this bug than not, and since testing can't tell us definitively whether we have it and/or how it might manifest itself if we are infected, I'd opt for the treatment, to be safe. What the heck is avelox? Never heard of it.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.  Mohandas Gandhi

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi