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Hello everybody,

It's been 6 months since I posted. I have chronic active CPNi. Does anyone know of an alternative to Abxi? I am suffering. Every 7 years I get a flare up that leaves me with a new symptom.

Thanks,

Enjoy your day.

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I am finding the Buhner

I am finding the Buhner Protocol works

It's all herbal tinctures

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I am not sure, if there is a

I am not sure, if there is a reasonable alternative to abxi. A reasonable strategy seems to be to try to strengthen your vitality, immunity - healthy food, vitaminsi, diets, saunas, sunshine etc.

You can try herbs with antimicrobial/immunostimulatory properties - neem, curcuma, triphala. All of them have immunostimulatory effects, activate the cellular immunity, macrophages, NK cells, T-cells

I am currently doing azithromycin + neem + NACi + selenium + zinc + vit. D + vit C + vit B + vit E + probiotics and it seems to be pretty effective. But do not expect to heal a chronic illness in 2 weeks.

PS: you seem to be one of those "all-natural" fanatics. Antibiotics are natural too. They are produced by molds, aspirin comes from willow.

It is actually meadowsweet

It is actually meadowsweet that aspirin was derived from and I do make some lovely tasting Mead from meadowsweet every year!

they do not use meadowsweet anymore but a synthetic form on the component now for commercial reasons!!!

Please can you expand on the term fanatic when used about people treating certain conditions with "natural" alternatives...  one contributor here claims that starving oneself and taking neem for 30 days can cure yourself for a good few cronic conditions !!!! What is your view on this?

see below meadowsweet information....

In 1897 chemists working at Bayer AG produced a synthetically altered version of salicin<, derived from the species Filipendula ulmaria< (meadowsweet), which caused less digestive upset than pure salicylic acid. The identity of the lead chemist on this project is a matter of controversy. Bayer states the work was done by chemists Heinrich Dreser< and Felix Hoffmann<, but Jewish chemist Arthur Eichengrün< later claimed he was the lead investigator and records of his contribution were expunged under the anti-Semitic Nazi<regime.[7]<[156]< The new drug, formally acetylsalicylic acid, was named Aspirin by Bayer AG after the original botanical< name for meadowsweet, Spiraea ulmaria<, derived from "acetyl" and Spirsäure, an old German name for salicylic acid derived from the Latin Spiraea

Regards

D

The Greatest Risk of all is Not taking the Risk...

"nature" fanatics are those

"nature" fanatics are those people who claim that chemistry = bad, nature = good and that do not know that nature = chemistry (biochemistry).

I am not sure if neem or fasting can cure chronic conditions. But I believe they are both powerful cures. Because I am not a "nature" fanatic I am going with the combo neem+azithromycin and I feel that it is clearing my chronic condition (chronic sinusitis, bronchitis, brain fog) fast. After a month of symptom worsening, my nose/sinuses/bronchi are starting to clear and brain fog to lift.

Azithromycin incapacitates the bacteria (blocks their protein synthesis), neem stimulates the cell-mediated immunity< to clear the incapacitated bacteria. I will do a fast at the end of my treatment to start a regenerative process (1<,2<,3<)

Jacck, you seems to have

Jacck, you seems to have clearly painted with a very large brush a self gained opinion about people who believe that within "nature" are very powerful medicines and that everything else is "bad".

I have said in many posts that there is a place for everything. I certainly would not be "Doing the natural thing" if an antibiotic would "fix" me within a few days course!

Unlike yourself I have been through the mills over the last 4.5 years "doing the natural thing" and been a "fanatic" thankfully about my OWN health.

My recovery has been slow but steady, coming from been unable to walk or function to well, what I would consisder having a normal life now, working, traveling, walking, cycling etc etc..... 

I have never "to my knowledge" insulted or even said that taking antibioticsi was wrong or even people who are on CAPi for many many years without significant improvements were "fanatic's" even when some people as I know truly don't put much weight behind "the natural route".

All people do here is offer help and support in the field that they know best.

This is usually arrived from 

1: Going down that route and having success with that on different levels

2: Coming accross research or papers and "putting it out there" for people to make their own mind up on. This advise can be taken on board by any member here or dismissed.

I find myself that information and opinions can be deliveried in many ways but I certainly believe that members can alienate people here by "having" a different "bed side manner"....

I really don't mind members here putting forward the idea of fasting and taking neem, but TBH I read those posts and that's as far as I would take that advise, just reading it!!

I think I may have expressed "my opinion" before in the vehicle in which you deliver your advise to members on here at times.... but hea, like I said we are all intitled to our views" once we don't insult in the process people who only need help and support in what is a very difficult time in their lifes!

I much perfer to offer the "spoon of medicine" instead of shouting down the patient and ramming the spoon in their mouth saying thats the only approach!

also you said ""nature" fanatics are those people who claim that chemistry = bad, nature = good and that do not know that nature = chemistry (biochemistry)."

I must correct you here.. yes the pharma industry does take nature at the start but many times they then alter it and extract only a certain compound and then syntactically create a lab version of that compound for a few reasons, one been its cheaper and two for patient reasons! So the end product is really not "nature" that the pharma industry offers us!

Regards

D

The Greatest Risk of all is Not taking the Risk...

At least I tried to

At least I tried to answer/help the original questioner. For some reason, you are just trying to lecture me. Maybe I am a little prejudiced against "anti-vaccination, anti-pharmaceutical, anti-psychiatry etc" folks (my opinions about them certainly aren't favorable) and it showed in my original comment.

Health is important for all of us and each one of us is entitled to do whatever he thinks will help him to regain/maintain his health. IMHOi, it is unreasonable (irrational) to restrict your means to regaining health to just the natural route or just the classical pharmaceutical route. Both can offer treatments, so why not just try that one which works? I never did claim that my route is the best. I was just writing about what I am currently trying/what I would try. I am not forcing it upon anyone. And concerning fasting and to quote you "I went down that road and had some success"

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/06/22/scientists-discover-that-...<

just like you said, leave it or take it

best,

Jacck

Jacck, if you think I am

Jacck, if you think I am lecturing you then I am sorry.... I am a member here for many years and over those years have made some mistakes in delivering "my message" to other members here.

I come to realise that there are some very sick people on here (me been one of them before) that struggle to even write a post and to have "ones opinion" deliveried in a way that can only be construed as an insult isn't in my opinion the best way to help people.

Maybe I am a little prejudiced against "anti-vaccination, anti-pharmaceutical, anti-psychiatry etc" folks (my opinions about them certainly aren't favorable) and it showed in my original comment.

Well maybe that is the problem here.... to believe in "the natural route" doesn't mean you are anti-vaccination, anti-pharma, etc etc... in fact I have all my vaccines got and even two rounds of Heb B, you mix your advice with your deep rooted opinion about a certain percentage of members here AND a perception of what their beliefs are!!

Another problem I see is that people try both routes at the same time (natural / antibioticsi) which in my opinion can be dangerous and or counter productive if you don't have the knowledge.

For example mixing OLE (Olive leaf Extract) with anti-biotics will stop the effectivness of the anti-biotics from working which will be counter-productive to the patient! there are many many other examples of these issues! There was another time where someone was taking Oregano long term and that is very bad for you!!

So what I find doing here is to only offer positive advise about the area I know "natural Stuff" herbs and stay well away from the pharma side.... In saying this I do also encourage people who are on CAPi to keep fighting and stay strong.... and offer a real congrads when they improve!

So if it is an objective of yours to help and support people here I can only suggest that maybe you should drop what you even said yourself "your prejudiced towards" certain views here.... I am not telling you to stop beliving in those views but to knock people down with them when they are sick and looking for help and support might be counter productive to your objective!

Regards

D

The Greatest Risk of all is Not taking the Risk...

Natural

ABXi concentrate the anti bacterial properties that originally came from plants

They are very strong and have side affects but may be necessay expecially if you don't have options

Herbal tinctures are also concentrated but retain a complment of othere plant properties and I think a better long term solution because of less negative impact on the body

So from experience I can say  yes there are natural alternatives that can be effective

I would be careful using the word fanatic in describing another member here

We may have disagreements but most of us keep it respecful 

DAILY:  NACi 2400MG , DHEAi sublingual , vit D3 , multi vits,./ Three times  a week: B12 injections (Hydroxycobalamin). Deer antler./  Once every few months methyl B12 Methyl injections