Mycoplamsa or CPN?

A military scientist named Shyh ching lo published much on this strain mycoplasma incognitus, he found it in no healthy controls and induced a fatal wasting disease in mice and monkeys, he ruled it to be the cause of death in 6 hiv negative people that died of mysterious symptoms.  HIv, hepattis c and CPNii does not do this, induce disease in Lab animals.  Could this be what people are really infected with? has anyone read Dr.  garth Nicolsons new book "Project Day Lily", its mindblowing, he claims it was part of the biological weapons program.  Id be quick to dismiss them, but him and his wife were 2 of the top cancer researchers on the world in 1990, and shyh ching Lo md phd was the militarys most decorated infectious disease pathologist.  Is it safe to mix doxycyclinne and azithromyacin?  Maybe this infection is why people are improving on these antibioticsi.

 

 

 

 Yes its working well, but it takes a while, i think the CPni protocol is better, for its more potent.  I should have been recovered a while ago, but my brain is very sensitive to drugs I was prescribed like Prozac/benzodiazepines and the withdrwals are really bad.  Ive bounced around doctors for years with no answers, and been written of as a hypochondriac by some really pathetic doctors.  Its sad how dumb some doctors are, and have no knowledge of the peer reviewed work I posted on mycoplasma incognitus, and thousands of people are slowly rotting away with this infection.

 

 

 

 

 

Suddenly became ill many years ago right after exposure.  Symptoms included an initial flu like illness, followed by memory loss spatial problems, diahreah.  Mycoplasma positive and been on Nicolson's treatment protocol 200 doxyi a day for a few months

 

 You can find out more about the nicolsons treatment protocol at www.immed.org  basically its 200-300 doxyi a day for 6 months, then several 6 week cycles with 2 week breaks until your recovered.  Also probiotics/vitaminsi, very similar to the Wheldon protocol, although Nicolson also says its ok to mix zithromax and Doxy together, so its very similar to the wheldon protocol.  Here is a case study on mycoplasma infection from the armed Forces of Pathology, they used Doxycycline 300mg a day, like Nicolson reccomends.

 Lo SC, Buchholz CL, Wear DJ, Hohm RC, Marty AM.

Department of Infectious and Parasitic Diseasesi Pathology, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Washington, D.C. 20306-6000.

The newly recognized human pathogenic mycoplasma M. fermentans (incognitus strain) causes a fatal systemic infection in experimental monkeys, infects patients with AIDS, and apparently is associated with a fatal disease in previously healthy non-AIDS patients. An apparently immunocompetent male who lacked evidence of HIV infection developed fever, malaise, progressive weight loss, and diarrhea and had extensive tissue necrosisi involving liver and spleen. M. fermentans (incognitus strain) was centered at the advancing margins of these necrotizing lesions. Following the treatment of 300 mg doxycycline per day for 6 weeks, he recovered fully. He has no fever or diarrhea, and his abnormal liver function tests have returned to normal. He regained all lost strength and 14 kg of lost weight and has remained disease free for more than 1 year.

 

 

Suddenly became ill many years ago right after exposure.  Symptoms included an initial flu like illness, followed by memory loss spatial problems, diahreah.  Mycoplasma positive and been on Nicolson's treatment protocol 200 doxy a day for a few months

In communication with Dr Abbot of ME Research UK, he passed to me a study done by Dr Nicolson on Multiple co-infectionsi (Mycoplasma, Chlamydia, human herpes virus-6) in blood of chronic fatigue syndromei patients: association with signs and symptoms.

In this study he tested using PCRi, he only found 7.5% of CFSi samples positive for cpni infection.

A summary is here:-

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12887507

I have contacted his office and Dr Abbot again to get them to have a look at Dr Stratton's research and his patent for PCR detection of cpn.

I wish these people would get together.

I'll let you know how things go.

Mark

UK Carer of bedridden Severe ME/CFS Feb06. CPN dxi. Apr07. Samento 15 drops per day July07.  2400mg NAC 200mg Doxyi Jan 08.

UK Carer of bedridden Severe CFS Feb06. Tick bites Summer04.  CPNi dxi.Apr07. Borrelia dx Sept08. Samento 15 drps daily July07.  200mg Doxyi Jan08.  300mg Roxy Apr08 Stopped abxi Nov/Dec08. Building up on Supps again.

Mark, I'd bet the incidence would be far higher if he was using the Vanderbilt method of detection.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.  Mohandas Gandhi

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

Mac,

I agree.  I emailed him a link to the Stratton patent that Jim has recently put up.  I also pasted a couple of relevant lines from the patent to try to spark his interest.

It will be very interesting when the Vanderbilt lab is set up again and Stratton finally manages to get his diagnostic PCRi test and treatment into medical journals that can be accessed by the people who should be looking into it.

Mark

UK Carer of bedridden Severe ME/CFS Feb06. CPNi dxi. Apr07. Samento 15 drops per day July07.  2400mg NAC 200mg Doxyi Jan 08.

UK Carer of bedridden Severe CFS Feb06. Tick bites Summer04.  CPNi dxi.Apr07. Borrelia dx Sept08. Samento 15 drps daily July07.  200mg Doxyi Jan08.  300mg Roxy Apr08 Stopped abxi Nov/Dec08. Building up on Supps again.

SPMSi-2003 & told that's it. Much research - I Don't Believe Them.

Started CAPi 16/04/08. Doxyi.100mgx2 Daily, Azith.250mg M/W/F, No Pulse yet. Also most recommended supplementsi, and HBOT Oxygen Therapy week.

I am now improving?</

Hi,

Just a topical interesting note?

Is it not a little curious that Lo actually patented an invention, a Mycoplasma as a novel pathogen (see US Patent Application No.265920 1988)

United States Patent No. 5,242,820

September 7, 1993

Sarcoidosis 10yrs. before dxi.SPMSi-2003 that's it. Research - Don't Believe Them.

CAPi 16/04/2008-05/10/09 -  Now Daily: 10kIU D3, Vit.C 1g, Calcium, Ginkgo Biloba, Pro-biotic yog, L-Arginine 1gx6, Magnesium Glycinate 220mgx6.

MYco or CPni---OR BOTH!  I am glad the protocol covers off both.

Onward & Upward

CFIDSi/ME 32 yrs, FMSi, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpn, chronic insomnia, Lymes, HME, Natural HRT peri-M, NACi 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, Pulse#11 1000 mg 5 days 6-14-08

CFIDSi/ME, FMSi, MCS, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplementsi+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyli/day-5 days<

I was tested for mycoplasma pneumonia and had an IgGi titer of 1:64, which according to Dr. Baseman at the Univ. of Texas at San Antonio, does not indicate active infection.  They look for titers of 1:200 or greater to  begin to suspect active infection.

 However, my Cpni titer was 1:512 (IgG) and IgA was as high as the lab measured at >=1:256.   I've also been on valcyte for various viruses (HHV-6, EBVi, VZV).   

 I started doxyi a couple of weeks ago, and 14 days later got hit full on with a huge herx like reaction.  Ugh.   I hope this passes soon.  It is the pits.  

Best,

Timaca

ps....I'm out of town for the next week, so sorry if I don't post back to any questions people may have....but you can write in a week! Wink

on valtrex 500 mg tid

http://whispersfromthefather.me/

 

 

 

Brosoupi,

Just wanted to clarify one detail regarding Lo's study where he found people in six cities all over the world who died in about 6 weeks from what he later identified as a new strain of mycoplasma - mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus strain) - Lo named it.

 The folks who died were in hospitals and the one treated with an antibiotic lived the longest but died when the antibiotic was stopped. They were a mix of people in the prime of life, some female, at least one black. They all resided in cities were there were United States military bases.

 Also note, that the USSR was investigating the use of mycoplasma as a biological weapon, along with several other pathgens. The concept was to put the bacteria in a regular missle so that it could be spread in the air without anyone knowing it was there.

 Would mycoplasma have been deadly that way? Probably not. But since when has government research in any country been worth its salt or even intelligent in a Machiavellian way?

Paula Carnes

Paula Carnes

As many have said here, the CAPi covers both, something I think Nicholson's protocolsi fail to address. 

As for high or low or no antibodies to these bacteria, it all depends on the functionality of your own immunei system at the time.  I think, and from my own personal experiences mixed with researchers' findings that some of the sickest folks can test negative because either the bacteria are intracellulari or the immune system is so weak that it doesn't produce the antibodies when testing.  

So, yes, I am glad I'm on CAP because is addresses most of the stealth bacteria that I believe are making me ill.  I also think it might be possible for CAP w/the aid of the adjuncts used here (iodine, supplementsi, sauna) to get the immune system functioning well enough to put the herpes type viruses back into the box.  

NACi 2.4g, Zithi 250mg/MWF, minoi 200mg, Tinii 5day/1g/5 pulses, Valcyte
Supplementsi, CFIDSi/FMSi, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBSi, Sec Addisons

Don't believe everything you think!  

Dr Burrascano: 

"Mycoplasma
Known as the “Chronic Fatigue” germ. More common in immunosuppressed. Testing with serial PCRi; still insensitive. Treat with doxycycline or fuorouquinolones with the addition of Plaquenil. Erythromycins and Rifampin with Plaquenil may be ok but are less effective. Treat the underlying Lyme and support the immunei system. Treatment may be needed for months or years."

Cpni, Mycoplasma pn, Bartonella quintana and henselae

Roxyi 300mg 450mg ,  Rif 600mg, NACi 1200mg and Tinii/Metroi pulses, clarithromycin 1000mg

 Doxy, Azith

Poland

Submitted by Norman Yarvin on Tue, 2008-01-22 12:40.If you click on the web page for the "Project Day Lily" book, you'll notice that it contains the statement "...based on a true story." In other words, it's fiction -- and not very plausible fiction, either; stealth pathogens are about the last thing the military would ever try to weaponize. The military mindset is "I want him dead NOW"; they're really not interested in slow-growing diseasesii. Norman,Actually, it might have been stupid, but the USSR did consider mycoplasma as a biological weapon. Did the US also? You assume that the six cases who died in hospitals around the world in the same timeframe all got the same infection just because there was a spreading epidemic of mycoplasma incognitus (at that time unidentified and unnamed). That is possible, but why were the dead bodies shipped to the US army pathology lab for Dr. Lo to biopsy? Why would you send bodies from foreign countries to the US? I don't know the answers, but I know the questions are not dumb. When you think about it, biological warfare is always pretty stupid from the standpoint that anything infectious can blow back on you.Another area of question is the inmates of the Huntsville Prison in Hunstville, TX who got infected with mycoplasma incognitus. Was someone experimenting there, or did they just happen to get infected with this pathogen? I don't know the answers, but I think Nicolson's book is based on fact, some of it. I have followed this for a long time, I guess because I have a positive PCRi for m. incognitus at Vojdani's ImmunoScience Lab. A lot of cfsi patients do. Paula Carnes

Paula Carnes

Militaries certainly do a lot of stupid things. But this isn't the sort of stupidity they tend to like; they're more into big, flashy stupidity. I hadn't read about the USSR considering mycoplasma for biological warfare; if that means anything more than "Yes, we considered it, and we soon rejected it", I'd be interested in a source.

In any case, the US military is very interested in the well-being of its soldiers, and maintains a large medical staff for the purpose. Here's how the website for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (the institution Dr. Lo was identified as working in) describes its research program: "The Institute's extensive research program includes 1649 presentations and lectures, 277 journal articles, 172 abstracts, 90 book chapters,18 books, 33 other publications and 255 collaborations. Programs include research in basic science, environmental pathology and toxicology, geographic and infectious disease pathology, oncology, molecular diagnostics, and forensic science. All approved protocolsi have military relevance and civilian applications." Wikipedia gives an idea of why those cases of mycoplasma death might have been sent to the AFIP: "The unique character of the AFIP rests in the expertise of its civilian and military staff of diagnostic pathologists whose daily work consists of the study of cases that are difficult to diagnose owing to their rarity or their variation from the ordinary." The US military institution whose name usually comes up in connection with biological warfare is a different one: the USAMRIID.

As for the Huntsville prison, prisons have always been a big breeding ground for disease.

Norman, I tend to avoid these discussions, since I believe we have to stay positive and focus on treatment. I used to be acquainted with Dr. Nicolson and others fighting mycoplasma infectionsi, particularly from the Gulf War. I am infected with m. incognitus. So I do have a rather large file on this issue. Here is just one - a letter from Dr. Garth Nicolson - not part of a novel he wrote, but documented information. I am also personally acquainted with Sally Medley who testified before Congress re her husband's illness. He was infected with m. incognitus while working as a prison guard at Huntsville. I believe you can find her testimony still online if you google it.

The Journal of Degenerative Diseasesi - Page 29
LETTERS
March 15, 2004
Dear Don,
I have enclosed some recent publications that I am sure that you will find interesting, including a recent paper on Brucella infections in CFSi patients that will be published this year by the Journal of Chronic Fatigue Syndromei.
I also wanted to correct a few statements that you have made in the past (such as the Nexus article in 2001) on the relationship between Brucella spp. and Mycoplasma fermentans. Basically, these are two different bacteria that likely evolved separately. Although they may have had a common precursor at some time in the past, the versions of these bugs that we have found in patients are only distantly related (by their geneticsi). Thus M. fermentans could not have directly evolved from Brucella abortus or Brucella melitensis by laboratory manipulation. It is more likely that these were separate Army projects and were developed to be used in mixtures. Of course, their toxic proteins that
the bugs release into the environment were of considerable interest, and it may have been these bacterial toxins not the bugs themselves that were crystallized by the Army. In the laboratory one doesn't usually think of crystalline forms of bacteria, because their structures are not as regular as viruses. There are exceptions, of course, but the mycoplasmas and other bacteria with rudimentary cell walls, such as Chlamydia pneumoniae, do not have the precise, regular structures necessary to form crystals. Proteins, such as the toxin molecules released by such bacteria, are routinely crystallized as a part of their purification process. Often the crystals are then examined by x-ray diffraction analysis to ascertain their molecular structures down to atomic distances. The molecular structures of proteins in
textbooks are from such procedures. M. fermentans is thought to have been first isolated from an anthrax culture as a separate pathogen. It is not clear whether the I. Farben Company first isolated M. fermentans in Eastern Europe during WWII, or they just described it as a contaminant in a weapons grade anthrax culture without isolating and characterizing it at the time. They apparently were testing this and other cultures in the death camps. Certainly ShyhChing Lo isolated or re-isolated the pathogen and first published on it as a separate microorganism. (In fact, he first thought that it was a virus, and his first publication mis-identified M. fermentans as a virus.) Lo was an Army anthrax expert, and it is very likely that he was given the I. Farben cultures to characterize and became interested in this contaminant, possibly because the culture mix was more potent than similar ones with the same anthrax strain alone.
Why does Lo now deny that M. fermentans can be found in CFS and Gulf War Illness patients? Interestingly, we know that he first found positives in testing these patient groups (and told the patients they were positive for M. fermentans) but later recanted. Perhaps this was because this pathogen was in the anthrax and other vaccines given to Armed Forces personnel deployed to the Gulf in 1991, and they did not want to admit that this was one giant experiment by the Medical Corps. (There are now three epidimiology papers in the literature, two from the U.K. and one from the State of Kansas Health Dept. that implicated the vaccines in GWI.)
M. fermentans was also part of a massive experiment in the Texas Dept. of Criminal Justice (TDCJ) prisons, which is where we also found it in prison guards that inadvertently picked up the pathogen and spread it to their families (in the mid-1980's before the Gulf War but our work with the prison guards occurred after Gulf War 1). Prison staff have reported that Dr. Lo was present during these experiments in the late 1970's to early 1980's, making many visits to Huntsville TDCJ prison units and possibly other TDJC units as well while a visiting scientist at Tannox Inc. in Houston. (His name and that of one of his associates even appears at the time on Tannox publications on M. fermentans). This is the biotech company in Houston that had George Bush, Sr. and James Baker III as major investors. Although as a privately owned company, Tannox has never admitted its ties to Bush and Baker to the public. Both James Baker III and George Bush, Sr. have admitted to us privately that they invested in Tannox (and that it was a bad investment!).
We (my wife, Nancy and I) are both well after almost dying last year from an attack by Lewisite and weaponized Y. pestis (plague). Nancy lost her vision and hearing for several days and I lost my vision temporarily. Thankfully we had a retired USAF doc who believed it when we told him what it might be and who we were. Nancy was hardest hit and spent the week in intensive care, but we have pretty much recovered (with the exception of Nancy's hearing in one ear).
I have been spending my time lately designing an affordable AIDS treatment program for Africa utilizing homegrown African nutraceuticals. Hopefully it will be implemented because African nations cannot afford the expensive Western drugs manufactured by the North American and European pharmaceutical giants.
Sincerely,
Garth L. Nicolson, Ph.D. President and Chief Scientific Officer The Institute for Molecular Medicine

Paula Carnes

Is this the testimony you refer to? It doesn't say much about why one would think there was an experiment in the Huntsville prison, as opposed to a natural outbreak. The business about the genome of these organisms containing a protein from the HIV virus is no smoking gun: genetic exchange between micro-organisms is pretty common; and mycoplasmas are a big problem in people with HIV, so the two organisms have had plenty of opportunities to coinfect the same patients, and thereby share genetic information.

In any case, mycoplasmas are pretty ubiquitous, so there doesn't seem to be any need to postulate any sort of skullduggery to explain their presence. See, for instance, Derek Lowe's comments on mycoplasma contamination in drug research labs being a frequent problem.

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