Lypo-spheric vitamin C

Has anyone tried this special form of vitamin C?

There is a lot of info about Lypo-spheric  C on the net.

 

http://www.smashcancer.com/tag/lipo-spheric-vitamin-c/<

This article claims: It is said that 5-6 grams of this form is more effective in clinical applications than 50 grams of IV vitamin C because of the amount that is actually absorbed into the cells.

If it is true, it would be excellent for clean up of endotoxinsi and porphyrins in our bodies. 

I use it because my Doc suggested it   this is store bought

I use about 200 mg on days I exercise I take it in the morning on an empty stomach

Here are my observations

I can't use a full gel packet 1000 mg because I have a hard time sleeping even if it's 12 hours between ingestion and bed time

It greatly improves my ability to do aerobic exercise with little PEM (post exertional Maliase)

I don't take it on non exercise days because it makes it hard to sleep and it is kind of hyping

My Doc said keep using it until I develope a tolerance

I will keep it as part of my regular protocol its very inexpensive the way I use it

Hope this was helpful

 

DAILY:  NACi 2400MG , DHEAi sublingual , vit D3 , multi vits,./ Three times  a week: B12 injections (Hydroxycobalamin). Deer antler./  Once every few months methyl B12 Methyl injections

Dr P suggested it to me, and I have just started it.

minocycline, azithromycine, metronidazolei 2007-2009, chelation for lead poisoning, muscle pain, insomnia, interstitial cystitisi (almost well), sinus, dry eyes, stiff neck, veins, hypothyroid, TMJ, hip joints (no longer hurt)

How much do you use, Janice? I am just awaiting my delivery.

Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years

I take at least 1000mg (one packet) a day. I also take 2000mg sodium ascorbate over the day, and 500mg to 1000mg Lifestar whole food vitamin C a day.

minocycline, azithromycine, metronidazolei 2007-2009, chelation for lead poisoning, muscle pain, insomnia, interstitial cystitisi (almost well), sinus, dry eyes, stiff neck, veins, hypothyroid, TMJ, hip joints (no longer hurt)

Interesting Janice, I also take different forms of vitamin C but not so much. :)

Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years

Anyone know where to buy Lypo-spheric vit C? I checked local vitamin shops, mustard seed, whole food etc. No luck. Thanks for any info!!!

MSi DXi 1996. Started CAPi 6/5/11. Doxyi 200 QDi,Azithro 250 MWF, Amox. 1000 2xQD, Tinni-1000 BIDx5days 1x Q month. All listed sups. on Cap except NACi. Copaxone QD. Asthmai,reynauds, hhv6

I just googled it, to try to find you a source.  There are so many, many results there, you'll need to sift through and pick one.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

Here is what I use recommended by my Doc

 

http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/start.cgi/liposome-encapsulated/lypo-sp...<

 

Let us know how it goes

DAILY:  NACi 2400MG , DHEAi sublingual , vit D3 , multi vits,./ Three times  a week: B12 injections (Hydroxycobalamin). Deer antler./  Once every few months methyl B12 Methyl injections

My thoughts on lypo-spheric vitamin C:  I take 2000mg a day of ordinary water soluble vitamin C with bioflavonoids and it costs next to nothing. But lypo-spheric stuff costs nearly £30 a month so it would rapidly become the most expensive supplement I would take, and  then I would have to add bioflavonoids.  In short, I think it is rather hyped up, as are many things in the alternative supplement line .................Sarah

A Journey through Light and Shadow

 

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Yes, but ordinary vitamin C is uncomparable with lypospheric in its efficacy. I think, for healthy people it is ok to take cheap C but for those fighting with heavy infectionsi lypospheric can be worth.

iherb.com has it, however I have mine from ebay because of lower cost

Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years

Thanks Mac! and I'll check ebay and iherb. :)

MSi DXi 1996. Started CAPi 6/5/11. Doxyi 200 QDi,Azithro 250 MWF, Amox. 1000 2xQD, Tinni-1000 BIDx5days 1x Q month. All listed sups. on Cap except NACi. Copaxone QD. Asthmai,reynauds, hhv6

 

I was ignorant of the merits (and even existence) of this form of Vitamin C.

 

Here is a link to an interview with Dr Thomas Levy who has worked extensively with high dose Vitamin C, and who developed liposomal Vitamin C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SN_6PL_Pcs&feature=related<

He makes the point that most humans suffer a serious mutation which precludes their making vitamin C and humans are not good at absorbing it. The more vitamin C you take orally the less is absorbed proportionally. He explains the reasons behind the increased bioavailability of vitamin C attached to a lipophilic element. I found his explanation very convincing. He comes across as being very knowledgeable. He makes many cogent points. The interview is in 7 parts.

Thanks for posting, Lala.

D W - [Myalgia and hypertension">i (typically 155/95.) Began (2003) taking doxycycline and macrolide and later adding metronidazolei. No medication now. Morning BP typically 110/75]

You can make your own too

So the cost is greatly reduced

 

 

DAILY:  NACi 2400MG , DHEAi sublingual , vit D3 , multi vits,./ Three times  a week: B12 injections (Hydroxycobalamin). Deer antler./  Once every few months methyl B12 Methyl injections

But Homina, a question for you: you say you have difficulty in sleeping if you take it even twelve hours before bedtime, so isn’t that rather counter intuitive?  I find sleeping hard enough: its better now because it is so dark but come the summer and I will get about four hours of good sleep.  I don’t deny that the stuff is interesting but to me sleep is paramount..................Sarah

A Journey through Light and Shadow

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

So am I wasting my money taking 2 g of vit. c with bioflavaniods QDi and should switch to this form of vit. c? Just want to do what works best for my body.Thanks~Erica

MSi DXi 1996. Started CAPi 6/5/11. Doxyi 200 QDi,Azithro 250 MWF, Amox. 1000 2xQD, Tinni-1000 BIDx5days 1x Q month. All listed sups. on Cap except NACi. Copaxone QD. Asthmai,reynauds, hhv6

Looking at the website of the manufacturer (Livon Labs), they're a bit shy about providing numbers for absorption of vitamin C in liposomal form versus regular form. One has to go to their list of studies, where there seems to be just one paper reporting results on that, and then for only two test subjects (both of whom were vitamin C fiends, who had long been taking upwards of 10 grams/day; my guess is that they were coauthors on the paper). In the paper, there is just one graph that shows a comparison of results of giving the same dose as regular vitamin C versus liposomal vitamin C (which is indeed from Livon Labs, so they're probably comparing to the same thing you could purchase.). The study is at:

http://www.livonlabs.com/proof/Dr_Hickey_Clinical_Study_Published.pdf<

and the graph is Figure 1 (on Page 4). Looking at the graph, I would describe the two curves as damn near identical, except with the liposomal form being delayed by about half an hour. In other words, according to the manufacturer's own source, if you're taking five grams or less, you might as well take regular vitamin C.

The paper also reports the results of larger doses, which gave higher blood levels; but in those cases they didn't do the control experiment of also trying the same dose of regular vitamin C. They do report that with the 36 gram dose, the highest they tried, "both subjects exceeded their bowel tolerance, leading to diarrhoea". They blame this on the "high intake of phospholipid", but they give no reason to exonerate the vitamin C, which is well known for producing such effects.

(And while they make noises about the liposomes traveling deep into the body and delivering vitamin C right where it's needed, they don't explicitly say that this happens, and indeed I doubt the liposomes survive digestion — that being a process which normally rips apart phospholipid membranes very efficiently.)

Good point Sarah

Sleep is paramount

Here is how it works for me

On the days I use Liposomal Vit C sleep does come but with a little more difficulty provided I use a small amount and do vigorous exercise that day (it would also come without vigorous exercise too)

For me the benefits outweigh the costs

I feel good and am able to do more of what I want to do when I use it

The overall benefits are improved sleep and improved stamina and libido (that's using it about three times a week)

 

But it is powerful .. I take it at 9am and go to sleep at 4 AM because I work at night I will still feel it so that's even more than 12 hours I don't know why i am so sensitive to it and other supps

DAILY:  NACi 2400MG , DHEAi sublingual , vit D3 , multi vits,./ Three times  a week: B12 injections (Hydroxycobalamin). Deer antler./  Once every few months methyl B12 Methyl injections

Interestinglfy after taking one sachet per day for 14 days my eGFR improved by 4 points which takes me into the 'normal range' after years of struggling to achieve this result. I believe this product is worth the spend........

CFSi 32years/FM 14 years/ CRPS 5 years/.  Previously MPi 5 years. Off everything since 01/12/2012.

 

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What is eGFR?

thanks

DAILY:  NACi 2400MG , DHEAi sublingual , vit D3 , multi vits,./ Three times  a week: B12 injections (Hydroxycobalamin). Deer antler./  Once every few months methyl B12 Methyl injections

To look for evidence of kidney damage or to monitor changes in kidney function

eGFR is calculated using your age, gender, and serum creatinine and requires a blood sample.

So previously to Vit C I was 52 and the normal range is 59. At the last test, I was 60!! Whoohoo - a significantly better result

Cheers

CFSi 32years/FM 14 years/ CRPS 5 years/.  Previously MPi 5 years. Off everything since 01/12/2012.

 

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Here is a link to making your own Liposomal Vitamin C:

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/liposomalC.htm<

 

There is also a YouTube video on it here (thanks, BeezNeez):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeU--wadrMY<

 

Ultrasonic cleaners (required for the manufacturing process) are relatively inexpensive devices, normally used for cleaning jewellery.  They are available in the US, Australia, the UK and I imagine other countries as well.

Ladybug

FM & chronic myofascial pain 2000; Cpni; EBVi; lead poisoning; CAPi since Jan 2009; Flagyli pulses & Azi M/W/F from Mar 2009; now also Cymbalta; Rivotril; Low Dose Naltrexone; Doxyi.  Pain-free and heading upwards again.

Thanks, Ladybug,

I plan on making my own when I have time this summer. I use the Livon Labs product and read Dr. Levy's book Curing the Incurable. I was a little skeptical about his claims, but now I am a true believer. I have used vitamin C to stop a serious infection from taking hold. Stopped in its tracks by ascorbic acid.  

Taking the right kind of C is important if you are taking mega doses. IHerb has a Source Naturals C that has a balance of various kinds of C as well as potassium.

 

http://www.iherb.com/m/Source-Naturals-Ultimate-Ascorbate-C-Powder-16-oz...<

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Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

Hi Raven

 

How much Liv-on C do you use and with what results overall?

And

Do you use the source naturals as well with what results?

 

Thanks very much

 

 

 

DAILY:  NACi 2400MG , DHEAi sublingual , vit D3 , multi vits,./ Three times  a week: B12 injections (Hydroxycobalamin). Deer antler./  Once every few months methyl B12 Methyl injections

I take two packets (2000mg a day),morning and night- increased energy and concentration, helped with short memory recall. Generally, I now don't lapse with periods of heavy fatigue like I used to. I have Cpni and Mpn infectionsi- I also take Garth Nicolson's NT Factor Propax Gold, (Lipid Replacement Therapy)- the days I accidently don't take it, My energy and concentration levels drop by half.

Much better and a huge improvment in asthmai (no need for ventolin anymore), swallon glands,sore gums, heart palpitations. My gums don't get as irritated or bleed with flossing anymore like they used to, and I am tolerating heat/cold much better- Lypo-Spheric C and NT factor together with low carb/sugar diet- addressing PH levels are my battle plans. I took 5 days of the NT factor and I went back to gluggyness-the fatigue was at bay but i lacked generally concentration and energy, as compared to when taking NT Factor daily. 

Bec Mills

Soft Tissue Therapist

Madkeenfishergirl

 

What brand of liphospheric vit c do you use?

Anyone else use NT Factor Propax Gold?

 

Thanks

DAILY:  NACi 2400MG , DHEAi sublingual , vit D3 , multi vits,./ Three times  a week: B12 injections (Hydroxycobalamin). Deer antler./  Once every few months methyl B12 Methyl injections

Hi homina, I think I can speak for madkeenfishergirl as she uses the same brand I do. It's from LivOn laboratories and you can order it online at http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/start.cgi/liposome-encapsulated/lypo-sp...<. I take 5 per day as I am quite unwell at the moment - it has helped tremendously with my energy levels and cognitive functioning. I would go so far as to say it has kept my head above the water. I hope this helps. Cheers, Kate

It is better to believe than to disbelieve; in doing so, it brings everything into the realm of possibility (Einstein)

CFSi/FM (2001); 'probable' MSi; Cpni; EBVi; HHV6; Chronic sinusitis/bronchitis/allergies

 

I should also add that this is the brand that was recommended to me by dr Powell.

It is better to believe than to disbelieve; in doing so, it brings everything into the realm of possibility (Einstein)

CFSi/FM (2001); 'probable' MSi; Cpni; EBVi; HHV6; Chronic sinusitis/bronchitis/allergies

 

It helped with my energy level too but I got bad stomach ache and cramping after first dose. Also the taste is horrible. Perhaps I did not mix it well into the water. Is it supposed to be completely dissolved or is it possible to have strings and clots in the drink? It appeared mine did not want to dissolve enough.

Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years

Lala, it does taste horrible! However you aren't supposed to dissolve it. You put a tiny amount of water in your glass (just a mouthful), squeeze the gel in, DON'T stir, and then throw the whole thing down your throat (like a shot of vodka). You end up getting pretty good at not letting it touch your tongue and then you don't even taste it at all. Does that make sense? Also, if you stir it you end up with half of it stuck to the side of the glass and it's too expensive to waste! I hope this helps you be able to take it. Incidentally, I get stomach pain and cramps from the sodium ascorbate powder that dissolves in water, so the lypo-spheric vitamin c is what I use instead.

It is better to believe than to disbelieve; in doing so, it brings everything into the realm of possibility (Einstein)

CFSi/FM (2001); 'probable' MSi; Cpni; EBVi; HHV6; Chronic sinusitis/bronchitis/allergies

 

Thank you, Kate. I will try again. I hope the cramping was because I took it not long after another my supplement. However I do not understand why it tastes so bad- like plastic dustbin full of chemicals. 

Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years

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