Lymph - The Importance of Lymph in the Clearance of Infection

As my husband has been experiencing some stagnant lymph issues, I have been researching the subject and wanted to introduce the idea of Good Lymph Health to the group. 

Curiously, most US doctors receive little training and possess little clinical experience in treating stagnant lymph disorders (exception of course doctors specializing in lymphedema).  Seems European doctors are more savvy on this issue and especially the Germans - just my opinion.

I personally have come to the conclusion that CAPi'ers may need to keep an eye on the health of their lymph systems while undergoing CAP treatment.  It's a key cog in the healing machine.

Here is some simple information about your lymph system.  It's by no means complete but just a knowledge jumping off point.  This post is all based on my personal research and understanding so please don't take anything as hard facts or advice. Here goes:

- Every cell in your body that I am aware of is bathed in lymph.  (If you cut yourself and some clear or whitish watery stuff leaks/oozes out - that's lymph).  You have approximately twice as much lymph fluid in your body as you do blood.

- You have an entire lymph vessel system in your body that is just as complex and necessary as your venous (blood) system.  It's thought that you have just as many lymph vessels and capillaries as you have blood vessels and capillaries.  Lymph vessels are larger than capillaries.  Most are smaller than the smallest veins and are located throughout your entire body.

 - A good deal of your cellular functions work via osmosis and the lymph system.  Capillaries flow past cells but don't have a "hard"connection.  They just leak things (glucose, proteins, O2, WBC's, minerals, cell salts, etc...) via osmosis back and forth.  In essence all your cells receive their life (Oxygen and nutrition) from your lymph.

 - Lymph moves through the body via a series of unidirectional valves, pumped via muscle motion.

 - Your lymph nodes (around 100 or so in your body) act as filters of your lymph fluid much as your kidneys and liver also act as filters.  Lymph nodes are key because they contain large volumes of WBC's which of course are key to dealing with infection.

- Lymph system collects and transports bacteria and viruses, damaged cells (apoptosisi, necrosisi, etc...), cancer cells etc... to the lymph nodes for filtering and processing and elimination of the bad guys.

- Your adenoids, tonsils, thymus and spleen are also part of the lymph system.

-Ultimately the lymph system drains into the subclavian veins located under the collarbones for further processing via the venous system. 

Subclavian veins was the location by the way of my husband's 1st wierd puffy pillows.  Now he has one on his left temple/ear area as well as on around the side of his neck.  It is supple, pillowy, plump and is easily pliable.  He clearly has hyperactive lymph in these areas.

- The largest concentration of lymph tissue in the body surrounds your intestines and is known as GALT - gut-associated lymphatic tissue.  Your GALT protects the largest gateway through your body's defenses (intestines).  It works to sort the good from the bad and mounts a defense when needed.  The bad being ingested bacteria, toxins, heavy metals, molds, allergens, etc...)

- Via healthy intestinal flora (generously pop those probiotics) and other,  your healthy GALT generally holds allergic responses and food sensitivities way down.  As a rule- the healthier your GALT the less sensitive you are to chemicals and food borne bacteria.

- If you have GI issues such as diarrhea, constipation, irregular or infrequent natural elimination, low fiber intake, dysbiosis, etc... your lymph system is probably overtaxed and operating suboptimally.   This can cause further GI distress including nausea and feelings of toxicity, and other. 

- Sluggish GALT and lymph may also play a part in the appearance of cellulite. The bain of most women, cellulite is generally found to be associated with trapped pockets of fat and toxins - things an optimal lymph system would be removing.

- If via infection, injury, toxic overload, etc... the lymph system gets over taxed or blocked lymph fluid backs up.    In short - your lymph can become toxic and hard for the body to handle.

- As a result of stagnant lymph you can experience nausea, fatigue, swelling,  joint pain, muscle cramping, arthritis flares, headaches, sinusitis, migraines, increase in allergies, more frequent colds, breast tenderness, GI distress, skin breakouts, acne, cellulite, mood disorders including brain fog and depression. 

As an analogy - think of your lymph system like a beautiful clear fountain to which you can see clear to the bottom.  If the pump or filter on the fountain malfunction- then the water becomes cloudy, murky, sludge filled, bacteria and mold riddled, smells and in general becomes toxic sludge. 

Your lymph system is like this fountain- you need it clear and happy to keep the bacterial and viral villians processing and clearing fast and easy.

- As stated above it's your own muscles and movement that keep lymph moving.  If you are sedentary lymph movement slows.  

So - what to do to keep your lymph system healthy?

- Deep breathing - really filling your diaphragm moves lymph well.  Good idea for all but particularily good for the sedentary or those unable to yet exercise.

- Exercise - Moving muscles - particularly bouncing motion - if you are able - think trampoline, mini rebounder - a little goes a long way here apparently.

- Dry brushing of skin - make sure you understand the techniques to do this - I have been doing this and find it very pleasant, relaxing and my skin is developing a lovely glow.

- Very lightly rubbing your abdomen on a daily basis as well as any puffy areas.  The key to moving lymph is a very light touch.

- Lymphatic massage - Highly trained therapist (Vodder folks) manually move the lymph through the system.  I tried it - very relaxing, after first treatment I felt a little toxic, next day felt really good.  My husband is now under going several treatments and his stagnant lymph pools are markedly decreased.  His eyes appear clearer and he seems less foggy (although that could be a number of things)

- Avoid processed foods and eat organic as much as feasible, drink lots of water

- Lymphatic herbs and homeopathic preparations as well as thymic stimulating proteins - I am still researching and don't want to report until I have some hard science under my belt.

- If you are healthy enough - undergo some doctor approved cleanses/fasts.

- Really load the probiotics - 200billion to 300billion per day is not too much. 

- FIR Sauna - This really benefits your lymph system and keeps it clean and clear.

- Accupunture is well known in eastern cultures to stimulate stagnant lymph system

Just wanted to throw this out there for discussion.  Seems to me staying on top of healthy lymph might make CAP treatment a little more tolerable and smoother.

Cheers to a healthy lymph system and a healthy body!

Thank you so much for posting this information Daisy.  I figured!

I was brushing but really didn't notice a difference.  Perhaps I need to pick up a loofa & keep at it!  I mean, what harm can it do anyway!

I must say I have been a little FIRi sauna reluctant due to the die off, but a little probably does more good than none so I will add that to my daily regimen. 

My Massage therapist gave me the name of a Chinese accupuncture trained MD at home so I am going to pay her some visits.  I had a rebounder & gave it to my daughter!  I also have an eliptical at home so that will be better than nothing when I can muster up the energy!

I am interest to hear more on your research.

God Bless

CFIDSi/ME 25yrs, FMSi, IBSi, EBVi, Cpni, (insomnia - melatonin">i, GABA, tarazadone, triazolam, novocycloprine, allergy formula, 3 gm tryptophan), Natural HRT peri-M, NACi 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, 8th Pulse 2 X 375 mg 3day,375 2 d

CFIDSi/ME, FMSi, MCS, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplementsi+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyli/day-5 days<

Oh, Daisy...for obvious reasons...thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Am still reading over and over, again. Lymph + cellulite + cellulitis, maybe?

 

 I had never even heard of dry brushing. For those interested, HERE< is a URL for technique. It just so happens that I own one of the very brushes that they recommend, so will certainly try this.

 

But, one thing that I can't understand is why your husband has been suffering from clogged lymph if he has always been as active as you say he is, both sick and well. Interesting! Will look forward to it, if you share what you are continuing to learn about all of this.

 

Thanks, again!

 

--Minai

 

 

RRMSi, diagnosed 2/04. NACi 4/06. Started Wheldon/Stratton regime 8/30/06. Doxycycline, 8/06, Azith, 10/06. Switched to Roxithromycin 11/06. Psuedo relapse/die-off with hospitalization 1/07. Gad-enhanced MRI of brain and spine shows NO NEW DISEASE ACTIVITY Restarted CAPi with NAC and Doxy 2/07. LDNi 4/07. Stopped NAC, started Roxi, again 5/07. Now on full doses of Doxy and Roxi. NAC, again, 7/07. 1st Tinidazole Pulse, 8/11/07. USA

 

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Interesting: I often do that before I have a shower, so now I know why!............Sarah

An Itinerary in Light and Shadow...........Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still slowly improving and no exacerbation since starting. EDSSi was 7, now 2, less on a good day.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Minai -

Really rooting for you on the cellulitis!  Certainly optimizing your lymph might help the antibioticsi clear the recalcitrant strep or staph bacteria from your skin.

I suspect my husband developed stagnant lymph because he has been clearing massive amounts of porphyrins, endotoxinsi, by products of bacterial kill, dead cells, etc...  The toxin overload was just too much for his lymph system despite eating organic, tons of probiotics and exercising. 

For him, just as I am going to need to be extra generous and vigilent with   anti-porphyriai measures, I am probably going to need to be extra generous with good lymph health measures as well.

He hasn't care so much for the dry brushing but he likes the Vodder manual lymph massage. I love the dry brushing.   Was thinking of getting him a rebounder to work on his balance anyway so this is just one more reason to order one.

Getting ready to try him on an herbal lymph stimulating product and going to haul him back to the accupuncturist. 

Based on my research, he should actually be able to clear this infection faster and with less die-off effects by keeping his lymph system optimized.  Purely a personal theory though.

Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.  Minoi, Roxyi, Diflucan round two 1-31, Rifampin, Bactrim DS, Prednisone, Novantrone, Doxyi, Azithromycin, Flagyli<

Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.  Husband died from Acute Myelogenous Leukemia Secondary to the Infusion of Novantrone.  Ie - the treatment with the conventional MSi drugs killed him.

Daisy on her own CAP 11/2012. 

Thanks for posting Daisy and Minai - I read the instructions you posted. I think this can only help me - and I have a brush that is in that picture too! On Wheldon protocol for MSi since April, 2006.  doxyi 200 mgs daily, zithromax 250 mgs 3x/ week , Flagyli Pulses start end Sept., LDNi 2004. Gad-enhanced MRI of brain and spine shows NO NEW DISEASE ACTIVITY and one lesion diminishing in size on 9/30.

5oo mgs Ceftin 2 x/day, 500 mgs Zithromax, 500 mgs 2 x tinii pulses,100 mg diflucan, 4.5 ldni; Wheldon protocol for MSi April, 2006 to May 2008. 2008 MRI shows NO NEW DISEASE ACTIVITY, 2012 MRI no new disease activity.

So much appreciated, Daisy. Am so glad for you, that you both have access to someone trained in Vodder. There are only 4 such therapists, listed in MD. But, none closeby. Will try to look up the herbal stimulants that you mention. But, have said to stop so many herbal supplementsi, lately, especially the estrogenic ones due to severe reaction.

Rebounder? As, in, mini-tramp? I recently invested in one, but have not even been able to use it, so far--even with the bar that it has to hold onto.

I hadn't mentioned this to anyone except for Sarah. Because when it happened, I had just started back to school last Fall, and had just broken out with Shingles. My oldest daughter, a few months after starting CAPi, developed peri-rectal abcesses. She had to have them surgically drained, and was placed on IV ABXi (much Metroi) for 5 days in the hospital. My mother stayed with her in the hospital, night and day, since I was too ill, to. Same doctor who is giving me my infusions, treated her. So far, they have not reoccurred. But am still watchful, given that she is rather inactive and overweight. Lymph drainage failure? I'd say so...hmmm...thanks, again, your info should certainly be of help for her, too!

 

--Minai (who needs to complete schoolwork tonight, and submit it, but has been far too distracted to)

 

 

RRMSi, diagnosed 2/04. NAC 4/06. Started Wheldon/Stratton regime 8/30/06. Doxycycline, 8/06, Azith, 10/06. Switched to Roxithromycin 11/06. Psuedo relapse/die-off with hospitalization 1/07. Gad-enhanced MRI of brain and spine shows NO NEW DISEASE ACTIVITY Restarted CAP with NAC and Doxy 2/07. LDNi 4/07. Stopped NAC, started Roxi, again 5/07. Now on full doses of Doxy and Roxi. NAC, again, 7/07. 1st Tinidazole Pulse, 8/11/07. USA

Wow, Sarah...just how did you know? I have been using exfolliating gloves in the shower for months, but have never dry-brushed...am thinking that I may have been going about it, too roughly, given epilation and waxing, too.

 

--Minai

 

 

RRMSi, diagnosed 2/04. NACi 4/06. Started Wheldon/Stratton regime 8/30/06. Doxycycline, 8/06, Azith, 10/06. Switched to Roxithromycin 11/06. Psuedo relapse/die-off with hospitalization 1/07. Gad-enhanced MRI of brain and spine shows NO NEW DISEASE ACTIVITY Restarted CAPi with NAC and Doxy 2/07. LDNi 4/07. Stopped NAC, started Roxi, again 5/07. Now on full doses of Doxy and Roxi. NAC, again, 7/07. 1st Tinidazole Pulse, 8/11/07. USA

Wiggy, I wish you the best, should you try. Am thinking that I have been a bit too overzealous with exfolliation, maybe even introducing even more bacteria into my skin. Dry brushing appears much safer, I think... --Minai

 

 

RRMSi, diagnosed 2/04. NACi 4/06. Started Wheldon/Stratton regime 8/30/06. Doxycycline, 8/06, Azith, 10/06. Switched to Roxithromycin 11/06. Psuedo relapse/die-off with hospitalization 1/07. Gad-enhanced MRI of brain and spine shows NO NEW DISEASE ACTIVITY Restarted CAPi with NAC and Doxy 2/07. LDNi 4/07. Stopped NAC, started Roxi, again 5/07. Now on full doses of Doxy and Roxi. NAC, again, 7/07. 1st Tinidazole Pulse, 8/11/07. USA

i am going to try this for my swollen feet and ankles maybe it will help the cold stiff purple extemeties. there is deffinately dry skin too. barbaraNAC and glutathione push for years all supplementsi in protocol)IV vitaminsi b1-12,C50gm,magDoxy200 10-/14/07, NAC 2400Doxy200mgAzithMWF10/29/07 roxy300,doxy200,rifampin300aziyh mwfMS flagyli 1day 500x2 11/23/20074th pulse 2.8.081500mg 8days

NACi and glutathione push for years all supplementsi in protocol)IV vitaminsi b1-12,F10/29/07 roxy300,doxy200,rifampin300aziyh mwfMS flagyli 1day 500x2 11/23/20074th pulse 2.8.081500mg 8days 7/08 finished 10th pulse on 300 rifamp bidi, doxybid 7/2008

I was lucky enough to find an Austrian masseuse trained in Vodder (as well as other techniques) right here in my city!  I started about 3 weeks ago.  she was very concerned due to my immobility over the past year.  The lymp in my legs was pretty stagnant, so she's taking it slow (my first appt. was only 20 minutes.)  This is one of those extra's I am splurging on as I truly believe it it beneficial.  I used to get massages several years ago but this is different.

I also read rebounding just a FEW minutes a day helps keep it flowing...

Thanks for posting this info Daisy... not many people realize their adenoids, tonsils and spleen are part of the lymph system!

In case anyone's curious, here's a link showing the lymph nodes and where they are located:

 http://tinyurl.com/yrqhs8

Jeanneroz ~CPNi 4/2007; HHV6, EBVi, CFIDSi/FM- diagnosed: 6/07; IBSi, prior kidney infectionsi, food allergies, hypothyroid (RAI for Graves in 1998), Adrenal issues; prior bronchitis/sinus problemsi. 200 mg/doxyi daily & 250 mg AZITH M/W/F, supplmnts

JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi<; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

Advertised on a website promoting Vodder. Would any of this equipment be worthwhile? Especially, if insurance covers it:  Lymphedema<

 

--Minai (who keeps slacking)

 

RRMSi, diagnosed 2/04. NACi 4/06. Started Wheldon/Stratton regime 8/30/06. Doxycycline, 8/06, Azith, 10/06. Switched to Roxithromycin 11/06. Psuedo relapse/die-off with hospitalization 1/07. Gad-enhanced MRI of brain and spine shows NO NEW DISEASE ACTIVITY Restarted CAPi with NAC and Doxy 2/07. LDNi 4/07. Stopped NAC, started Roxi, again 5/07. Now on full doses of Doxy and Roxi. NAC, again, 7/07. 1st Tinidazole Pulse, 8/11/07. USA

Should also add that my husband may have sluggish lymph because he had a tonsillectomy as a child (with possible adenoidectomy - his father can't remember). 

This was common place in children at one time - not so much now as it turns out you need these body parts - especially as children to keep the lid on respiratory infectionsi.  As an adult your tonsils and adenoids shrink probably because you have developed immunei complexes but they are probably still functional. (just my theory)

So he is missing some of his lymph system which may contribute to sluggish lymph.

Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.  Minoi, Roxyi, Diflucan round two 1-31, Rifampin, Bactrim DS, Prednisone, Novantrone, Doxyi, Azithromycin, Flagyli<

Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.  Husband died from Acute Myelogenous Leukemia Secondary to the Infusion of Novantrone.  Ie - the treatment with the conventional MSi drugs killed him.

Daisy on her own CAP 11/2012. 

 

Minai, I didn't know: I was doing it just to get rid of dead skin quicker...........Sarah

An Itinerary in Light and Shadow...........Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still slowly improving and no exacerbation since starting. EDSSi was 7, now 2, less on a good day.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

This is a great way to get lymph moving if you can't exercise, go for a massage or even get out of bed for long.......

http://www.thechimachine.co.uk/research.htm<

Elinor ..... from England  on CAPi, doxyi/roxi/tini  for ME/CFSi/lyme borreliosis, positive Cpni and borrelia. Started Aug05, stopped Jan06, started again Sept 06.

Elinor ..... from England  on CAPi, doxyi/roxi/tini  for ME/CFSi/lyme borreliosis, positive Cpni and borrelia. Started Aug05, stopped Jan06, started again Sept 06.

Have you used one of these machines Elinor? They seem rather expensive to just take a chance on. ( Supplementsi and abxi come first! ) 

New Forest, UK. Progressive MSi dxi 12/06 LDNi 3/07 CAPi 6/07: Wheldon version.

speedbird

I have a friend that has one of these machines and does these treatments for ppl and I have not even asked her about it because obviously her opinion would be biased. What are these chi machines supposed to do for you? 

RRMSi, searching for solutions.

Lived with MSi since 1991. Completed 16 months of full CAPi plus supplementsi. Currently in full remission. Not on any antiobiotics anymore but taking all supplementsi incl NACi.

Yes I use mine every day, I bought it when I was so ill  that exercise was impossible, even walking around the house was too much.   The research was done on treating  lymphoedema which I've never had so can't comment on  but it does seem to work on getting the lymph moving, you have to start slowly and it makes you feel quite toxic at first.

I probably wouldn't have bothered with one if I'd been fit enough for weight-bearing exercise at the time but when the alternative is no movement at all then it's a really great way to get started.  My doctor has one at his surgery, he recommends massage or one of these for his lyme and ME patients.   Even though I'm so much better and can exercise now I still use it because it feels good and very relaxing.

This model is quite expensive but there are other makes and there's always e-bay.  

Elinor ..... from England  on CAPi, doxyi/roxi/tini  for ME/CFSi/lyme borreliosis, positive Cpni and borrelia. Started Aug05, stopped Jan06, started again Sept 06.

Elinor ..... from England  on CAPi, doxyi/roxi/tini  for ME/CFSi/lyme borreliosis, positive Cpni and borrelia. Started Aug05, stopped Jan06, started again Sept 06.

Ok I have taken the plunge and ordered one to add to the arsenal of die-off combating stuff. The clincher was that my husband is diabetic and this machine can also be used to combat/treat diabetic neuropathy so it's not just for me. (Well, that's my excuse anyway!). If it also helps with energy as well as back problems it will be a big plus.

There is a 14 day free trial and currently the manufacturer is offering a discount to celebrate their 10th anniversary - how long that will last I don't know. 

New Forest, UK. Progressive MSi dxi 12/06 LDNi 3/07 CAPi 6/07: Wheldon version.

speedbird

Wow, thanks. Both my mother-in-law and brother-in-law suffer from Lymphedema badly. My BIL ended up in hospital all over Christmas. I've just ordered one of the machines to try out.  

 

Berkshire, UK. Diagnosed MSi Feb 4th 2008. NACi first dose 600mg Feb 9th 2008. Increased to 2400mg Feb 19th.

Berkshire, UK. Diagnosed RRMSi Feb 4th 2008.

NACi 2400mg. All supps. Doxyi 200mg. Zithi 250mg. Metroi 400mg.
No GP/Neuroi support. Self medicating with help from David Wheldoni.
Started CAPi 20th April

Wow, this post has exploded into a plethora of great information.

YAY, cellulite be gone!! weeeeeeeeeeeee  Let the serious brushing begin!  No wonder I wasn't getting results, it has to be done properly.  Getting to know where my lymph glands are is beneficial as well. 

Lo & behold, many of them are sore!  go figure!  I am broadcasting the  Minai attachment to lots of others.

I would also be interested in the herbal lymph cleanse products.  If anyone finds one that looks promising, pm me please.

thanks peeps!

CFIDSi/ME 25yrs, FMSi, IBSi, EBVi, Cpni, (insomnia - melatonin">i, GABA, tarazadone, triazolam, novocycloprine, allergy formula, 3 gm tryptophan), Natural HRT peri-M, NACi 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, Pulse8 750mg 4day,375X1 3-24-8

CFIDSi/ME, FMSi, MCS, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplementsi+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyli/day-5 days<

Ruth - After some research into the herbs and doses, I have settled on beginning our experiment with Solaray brand Total Lymph Cleanse.  It contains all the right stuff (i believe) including Horse Chestnut and Red Root which consistently seem to be key. 

A doctor friend of mine (oncologist) recommends these herbs to some of cancer patients with sore/swollen lymph nodes.

We will start our experiement with it soon and I will report back.

Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.  Minoi, Roxyi, Diflucan round two 1-31, Rifampin, Bactrim DS, Prednisone, Novantrone, Doxyi, Azithromycin, Flagyli<

Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.  Husband died from Acute Myelogenous Leukemia Secondary to the Infusion of Novantrone.  Ie - the treatment with the conventional MSi drugs killed him.

Daisy on her own CAP 11/2012. 

Thanks Daisy, I am googling that asap!

I have to get this body back from lymphatic distress!

CFIDSi/ME 25yrs, FMSi, IBSi, EBVi, Cpni, (insomnia - melatonin">i, GABA, tarazadone, triazolam, novocycloprine, allergy formula, 3 gm tryptophan), Natural HRT peri-M, NACi 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, Pulse8 750mg 4day,375X1 3-24-8

CFIDSi/ME, FMSi, MCS, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplementsi+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyli/day-5 days<

Minai -

According to the medical Textbook for Lymphology written for physicians by Foldi.  Manual Lymphatic Drainage has an absolute contraindication for active infection including cellulitis.  I didn't have time to read the whys and thoughts. 

So good thing you didn't find a therapist - of course they should have known the contraindication.  Also - not sure if you should be dry brushing right now either - based on this absolute contraindication for the manual lymph drainage you might ask your doctor before you dry brush anymore. 

Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.  Minoi, Roxyi, Diflucan round two 1-31, Rifampin, Bactrim DS, Prednisone, Novantrone, Doxyi, Azithromycin, Flagyli<

Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.  Husband died from Acute Myelogenous Leukemia Secondary to the Infusion of Novantrone.  Ie - the treatment with the conventional MSi drugs killed him.

Daisy on her own CAP 11/2012. 

My chi machine arrived yesterday and I tried it this morning. The booklet says 10 minutes on it is the equivalent of walking a mile. I started with the recommended 2 minutes and felt like I'd run 10 miles. If you want a soft, gentle workout, this isn't it. However, I would expect that as I work up to longer bursts, and get used to it, it's certainly going to do something.

If like me, using a rebounder is a no-no as you'd bounce straight off, or you have low ceilings, then one of these is a great alternative.

I admit, I got mine from Ebay for a very reasonable £9.99 Money mouth and they may have some more on there. No way I was going to get the expensivo version as I know what's happened to exercise equipment I've bought in the past. Anyone want a Pilates machine, Nordic Ski, Multi Gym, air walker.......

Mine's a Bio Energiser. The guy also does therapy wax baths and a medically approved detox spa, both of which I have my eye on.

If he's run out, you might be able to get the Energiser elsewhere. I think they retail for around £50.

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/BIOENERGISER1<

Berkshire, UK. Diagnosed MSi Feb 4th 2008. NACi first dose 600mg Feb 9th 2008. Increased to 2400mg Feb 19th.

Berkshire, UK. Diagnosed RRMSi Feb 4th 2008.

NACi 2400mg. All supps. Doxyi 200mg. Zithi 250mg. Metroi 400mg.
No GP/Neuroi support. Self medicating with help from David Wheldoni.
Started CAPi 20th April

If it's wearing you out you could have it set on too high a speed or if your model is one-speed you  might be better to start with just one minute twice a day and slowly increase, the speed seems to differ between the models but I've only ever tried the one in my  link above.

Did you feel a bit sick/toxic afterwards, make sure to drink a glass of water as soon as you stop.  At the beginning it would make me feel quite ill but now I can happily stay on for 15-30 minutes and feel great with no bad after effects, it's even better if you put some headphones on and meditate the toxins out to music.

Elinor ..... from England  on CAPi, doxyi/roxi/tini  for ME/CFSi/lyme borreliosis, positive Cpni and borrelia. Started Aug05, stopped Jan06, started again Sept 06.

Elinor ..... from England  on CAPi, doxyi/roxi/tini  for ME/CFSi/lyme borreliosis, positive Cpni and borrelia. Started Aug05, stopped Jan06, started again Sept 06.
I have had and have used my chi machine for the last 7 years. It has been a life saver for me. It really does make me feel better especially during heavy spasticity periods. I could always move better when my sessions was done. This site is truly amazing. The things I have done over the past 8 years that have helped me now are explained. ]I must say I did histamine patches for increased energy 4 years back and my spasticity went way up. After 3 months on these patches I was worse physically. NOw I realize the increased ATP fed the cryptic to bloom into the RBs. I always wondered why I got worse after that protocol. kc dxi msi 1996. started capi 10/05. Started with tinii pulses switched to flagyli pulses. Now almost on continous 500mg flagyl but do need breaks. On doxyi 200mg/day azith 250 mwf and NACi 700mg. ldni 2.0mg.
dxi msi 1996. started capi 10/05. Started with tinii pulses switched to flagyli pulses. Now almost on continous 500mg flagyl but do need breaks. On minoi 100mg/day biaxin 1000mg day and NACi 600mg. ldni 2.0mg.

No sickness feelings but I'm not badly affected by the MSi and I'm pretty active if a bit unsteady at times. I live in a cottage with 3 floors so I'm up and down stairs all day but even so, you could tell it gives you a workout. I did the arms behind the head exercise and you can feel it stretching everything out. AND the best bit...... warm feet! My feet have been frozen cold for days but not now.

Thought I'd give it a longer stretch tonight before I get into bed so if I do feel a bit odd then I can sleep it off. 

Berkshire, UK. Diagnosed MS Feb 4th 2008. NACi first dose 600mg Feb 9th 2008. Increased to 2400mg Feb 19th.

Berkshire, UK. Diagnosed RRMSi Feb 4th 2008.

NACi 2400mg. All supps. Doxyi 200mg. Zithi 250mg. Metroi 400mg.
No GP/Neuroi support. Self medicating with help from David Wheldoni.
Started CAPi 20th April

My husband has now had 4 manual lymph drainage massages.   Hyperactive lymph around temple, jaw, ear, neck and above left subclavian vein are reduced.  

His facial skin looks brighter.  His eyes look clearer and brighter.  My husband is also noticeably cognitively clearer after each treatment.

I have been watching the therapist work.  She literally uses gentle compression techniques to move the lymph through the lymph system.  Each time when she is finished - the original puffy pillow above the subclavian vein is enlarged but the puffiness on the side of his face and neck are dramatically reduced. 

We are going to keep this and other lymph good health measures up!

Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.   Roxyi, Diflucan round three 4-3, Rifampin, Bactrim DS, Mepron, Prednisone, Novantrone, Doxyi, Azithromycin, Flagyli, Minoi<

Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.  Husband died from Acute Myelogenous Leukemia Secondary to the Infusion of Novantrone.  Ie - the treatment with the conventional MSi drugs killed him.

Daisy on her own CAP 11/2012. 

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Daisy - Husband on CAPi 5/07.  Husband died from Acute Myelogenous Leukemia Secondary to the Infusion of Novantrone.  Ie - the treatment with the conventional MSi drugs killed him.

Daisy on her own CAP 11/2012. 

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