Have any of you used Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy to kill pathogens?

I read a book called "The One Minute Cure" by Madison Cavanaugh.  It states to use 35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide in distilled water 3 times a day.  Start with 1 drop 3 x day and build up to 25 drops 3 x day.

 I started using it and am up to 18 drops 3 x day and I had a herx.  I definitely think it helped kill more bugs.

 

Have any of you tried it?

 

At the bottom of the below link are the reviews by people who have used it:

 

 http://www.amazon.com/One-Minute-Cure-Healing-Virtually-Diseases/dp/0977075141<

Hi Stew30,

I have tried it a little topically (sinus). It seems to work. I have read that it lowers pH which I believe is the goal (see the Cpni theory threads on this). Most likely it is taken up into cells and oxygen is used and hydrogen is left over and that would lower pH.

That said I imagine there may be easier ways to achieve the same goal. Still it would not surprise me if this turns out to be as good as any of the others.

- Paul

Let us know how it goes

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Please nobody consider using Hydrogen Peroxide orally if you don´t want to damage your organs and body. The principle is -the peroxide releases oxygen radicals that directly cause an oxidative stress and the chain reaction. Paul please could you give the serious link or source where you read about the theory of lowering pH by Hydrogen Peroxide? This theory has nothing to do with chemistry and Hydrogen Peroxide is a chemical. All the cure theory with Hydrogen Peroxide strongly reminds MMS/the same principle. Paul, the lowering body pH can´t be the goal. The goal is just opposite - to increase pH but with food. Why is then recommended not eating dark meat which causes lowering pH? And the theory of herx?-no comment.

MSi for more than 30 years, WP since July 08, break Jan 09-March 09. NACi 2x600mg, Doxyi 2x100mg, Roxi 2x150mg, Entizol in pulzes, LDNi, supplementsi.Since May 2013 without abxi.

Interesting read on H202.<   Perhaps this<  (cell food) is a better/safer alternative?..... some others here have used it... I purchased it but haven't implemented it daily.

Also, if one reads the recommended diet for the protocol<, Dr. Stratton suggests avoiding red and dark meats as they contribute to porphyria... (some here on the site have noted no effect by eating dark meats, others stay clear of it.)

 

JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi<; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

Hydrogen peroxide is a natural but harmful product of metabolism. It is, as Evita says, a powerful oxidant and is broken down in the body very rapidly by peroxidase (catalase). I have no evidence for this, but it seems reasonable to think that, as C. pneumoniae is a predominantly intracellulari parasite and the host cell contains active peroxidase, local hydrogen peroxide in a safe concentration would be of little practical use against this organism.

 

(Incidentally, hydrogen peroxide may be effective as a germicidal mouthwash because the long-chain streptococci which cause dental decay do not produce catalase and are thus vulnerable. Another prime culprit in tooth decay is Porphyromonas gingivalis, which, being an obligate anaerobe, would also be expected to be vulnerable to hydrogen peroxide. )

D W - [Myalgia and hypertension">i (typically 155/95.) Began (2003) taking doxycycline and macrolide and later adding metronidazolei. No medication now. Morning BP typically 110/75]

 There was a discussion on similar product on this web. This product finished to be forbidden and a clever chemist brought a new product with the same effect hopping to earn much money. It isn´t so difficult to write an interesting article on chemistry. When a non-chemical educated person reads it he believes it. A chemical educated one can´t read it, because there is much untruth. Of course there is also some truth about the Hydrogen Peroxide but it is the base for the next untruth claims. There is no scientific support, no link to a paper, no link to a work confirming the cure, there is nothing serious  in this article, just a story. And to cure on the basis of the story... And if somebody wants to offer a chemical for a cure he should have all this support, have tested it and have an official permission for using it as the cure. I would like to see the permission.

I am sorry but I can´t paste the link, but the discussion is here. 

 The Miracle Mineral Solution and CAPi?

 

 

MSi for more than 30 years, WP since July 08, break Jan 09-March 09. NACi 2x600mg, Doxyi 2x100mg, Roxi 2x150mg, Entizol in pulzes, LDNi, supplementsi.Since May 2013 without abxi.

For the people who are against oral ingestion of Hydrogen Peroxide what is your opinion of H2O2 delivered via iv?

In 2003 I went to a clinic that offered H2O2 IV treatments.  It helped me, but the clinic shut down and I have been unable to find a new clinic that offers it.

 

Intravenous Hydrogen Peroxide
Therapy (IV H2O2)

Bio-oxidative medicine is the addition of oxygen directly to the tissues of the body in the form of singlet oxygen (lone oxygen atoms) in a highly reactive state. To more fully understand the chemistry involved, review: Bio-oxidative Medicine<.

In living systems oxygen (as O2) is transported by hemoglobin, a protein found in red blood cells. This is a highly efficient way of conducting oxygen from the lungs to the tissues of the body and insuring it does not react with anything along the way. Because it is bound by hemoglobin, it is unable to react to anything else until it is released by the hemoglobin (which then picks up carbon dioxide and transports it to the lungs).

In bio-oxidative medicine, oxygen is introduced directly into the body as hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) or as ozone (O3). Although ozone is used safely and with great benefit throughout Europe and in many other parts of the world, the medical establishment in the United States refuses to recognize it as a valid therapy and actively persecutes doctors who use it. Luckily, hydrogen peroxide is not treated in this way, even though it is an equally powerful oxidative approach.

The chemical reaction looks like this:

H2O2 → H2O + O-

This is chemical shorthand to indicate that in the body, hydrogen peroxide is converted to water and singlet oxygen. This singlet oxygen located at the end of this reaction is a powerful oxidizing agent. It is the active agent in hydrogen peroxide therapy.

In IV H2O2 therapy, hydrogen peroxide is infused into the circulatory system through a vein in the arm. It drips in over a ninety-minute period. Five cc of pharmaceutical-grade, three-percent hydrogen peroxide are put in 500 cc five percent glucose in water as a carrier solution. Two grams of magnesium chloride are added alon gwith a small amount of manganese to prevent vein sclerosis.

In the blood, it encounters two enzymes: catalase and cytochrome-C. Catalase drives the above reaction to completion immediately. That part of the hydrogen peroxide that binds with cytochrome-C, however, is not allowed to become water and singlet oxygen for a period of forty minutes. After forty minutes of being bound to cytochrome-C this enzyme begins to act like catalase and breaks down the hydrogen peroxide to water and singlet oxygen. By this time, the hydrogen peroxide/cytochrome-C complex has been spread throughout the body. In this way the benefits of hydrogen peroxide are made available to all cells.

The effect of singlet oxygen in the human body is twofold. It kills, or severely inhibits the growth of, anaerobic organisms (bacteria and viruses that use carbon dioxide for fuel and leave oxygen as a by-product). This action is immediate, on contact with the anaerobic organism. Anaerobic bacteria are pathogens, the organisms which cause disease. All viruses are anaerobic.

Aerobic bacteria (those that burn oxygen for fuel and leave carbon dioxide as a by-product — as humans do) found in the human intestine are friendly bacteria, which aid in digestion. These organisms thrive in the presence of hydrogen peroxide.

The second effect of hydrogen peroxide is that it provides singlet oxygen, which, in turn, transforms biological waste products and industrial toxins into inert substances by oxidizing them. This makes them easy to handle for the kidneys and liver. It doubles the rate of enzymatic metabolism in the mitochondria within each cell, thus enabling the body to cleanse itself of toxins and still have plenty of energy to handle the business of living from moment to moment. This increase in metabolism probably accounts for some of the antibacterial, antifungal, and antiviral effects of hydrogen peroxide.

Hydrogen peroxide is a part of normal metabolism. Your body produces it constantly. There are units in certain white blood cells called "peroxisomes," which produce H2O2. These white cells then engulf bacteria which cause disease and mix them together with these peroxisomes. They both then disappear as the singlet oxygen from H2O2 destroys the bacteria or virus. This happens naturally, without any help from outside sources of hydrogen peroxide.

When an infective disease becomes obvious to the person who has the infection the hydrogen peroxide defense mechanism already has been overwhelmed by the number of viruses or bacteria involved, and the immunei system is into its secondary line of defense: the tedious process of analyzing the invading organism and making antibodies, which deal specifically with that organism.

The invention of man-made antibioticsi, beginning in the 1920s, was a revolution in medical science. However, as a strategy for fighting infection it is clearly second best, as the body itself demonstrates. When the body is challenged with an infection, it first turns to hydrogen peroxide. Only when this fails does it turn to its own antibody production.

Read the rest here:

http://www.medical-library.net/hydrogen_peroxide_therapy.html<

CFSi, Fibromyalgiai, EBVi, HHV-6, C Pneumoniae.

Singlet oxygen actually isn't "lone oxygen atoms"; instead it's a different electron configuration of the O2 molecule. (This is not a particularly important error, in this context, but nevertheless means that the author didn't understand the chemistry he's spewing out.)

Hydrogen peroxide is an indiscriminate oxidizing agent. Putting it IV into the blood will randomly oxidize various of the molecules in your blood, most of which are your own, and which you depend on for survival. The bit about it binding to cytochrome C and getting all through the body is nonsense.

Intravenous Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy (IV H2O2) -  I have two questions to this therapy: 1. Why did the clinic shut down? 2. Why there is no other clinic to provide this therapy? My answer is - this therapy may not be so safe. 

I am not against the oxygen therapy part of which is some safe portion of oxygen radicals. I am against the means of application. There is a very successful ozone therapy for back problems/disc. But this is  applied in the hospital directly to the muscle, hernia disc-the place of problem. For sure oxygen is very useful because it kills and prevent from growing anaerobic bacteria. But it must be secured that it is delivered directly to the place in question. When it is applied orally in the form of Hydrogen Peroxide the oxygen radicals are released immediately after opening the bottle, in the mouth and in the digestive trakt and there they can cause some damages. By the way the Hydrogen Peroxide is unstable so much that after opening the bottle, if the concentration is low /it should be because of "safety"/ the concentration drops down rapidly and in a few days you may use a very pure sterilized water. So in this way in a few days it is a "safe, expensive and without benefit" therapy. 

 http://www.ajnr.org/cgi/content/full/27/3/471

 

 

MSi for more than 30 years, WP since July 08, break Jan 09-March 09. NACi 2x600mg, Doxyi 2x100mg, Roxi 2x150mg, Entizol in pulzes, LDNi, supplementsi.Since May 2013 without abxi.

Hydrogen peroxide isn't quite that unstable. I have a bottle of the 3% stuff which probably is a couple of years old (opened back when it was bought), and still bubbles nicely. Pure peroxide is much less stable than that, but they generally add stabilizers to it.

Evita,

I was not supporting or advocating using H2O2 orally or IV. However I had a positive, although not really remarkable, experience with it topically (or intra-nasally). I do not have a link that discusses it lowering intracellulari pH but the article I found on it years ago was on Pubmed if you want to search for pHi and H2O2. Personally I think this is not an interesting enough substance to spend more time looking into but I was curious at to why it seemed to be helpful with Cpni topically when I tried it a few years ago.

As to lowering or raising pH, I am not advocating doing either with one's body. And I am not sure one could accomplish that even if they chose to. However I think it is important to lower Cpn's pH as it think it makes it more susceptible to antimicrobial agents. This seems to be supported by some current research and I suspect many of the "adjuncts" people take to help with side effects help achieve this.

- Paul

Norman Hydrogen peroxide bubbles till there is any concentration - it can be 0,1% or less. Every opening of the bottle lowers the concentration. Bubbling means that peroxide releases oxygen radicals and the concentration drops down. If the bottle is closed the radicals are released into the air in the bottle till the air is saturated and then the concentration of the peroxide is stable till the next opening of the bottle. After opening the bottle the oxygen radicals go into air and air goes into bottle and so on...This process is done till there is null concentration of peroxide. Stabilizers are used for technical purposes and can slow down this process, not stop completely and are not good for oral using as well as Hydrogen Peroxide isn´t, except mouth.

Paul I agree pH isn´t so important topic and I think it´s a risk to try to change body pH. We should eat healthy, a lot of vegetables, we should listen to our body and our taste. Our body can guard the proper pH in each situation. Sometimes our body needs a little lower pH, sometimes a little higher. Our taste helps to guard the pH. If we eat something that isn´t good for us our body tells it. We don´t feel comfortable and we should think about what wasn´t good what we ate. But while on CAPi this is very difficult. I don´t think we can solve this problem, just try to do our best not to harm ourselves more.

MSi for more than 30 years, WP since July 08, break Jan 09-March 09. NACi 2x600mg, Doxyi 2x100mg, Roxi 2x150mg, Entizol in pulzes, LDNi, supplementsi.Since May 2013 without abxi.

What, are you going to make me do an experiment, rather than just handwave "bubbles nicely"? Okay, okay... I measured out 7 ml of peroxide from the bottle I mentioned, and arranged it with a tube bubbling into an inverted flask which started out filled with water. I got 57 ml of oxygen, which is not far short of the "10 volumes" it nominally is (which would be 70 ml), and it's not quite done bubbling yet. (The catalyst I used was a small piece of silver.)

This bottle has stayed closed for most of its life; but the argument that "oxygen radicals" reach "saturation" in the bottle doesn't work. When oxygen is generated, it's ordinary oxygen, and builds up pressure until the bottle breaks (or leaks). There is nothing that can be "saturated"; the reactive oxygen species that come from the decomposition of peroxide are quite short-lived, and quickly turn into ordinary O2.

Norman,

Next time you are tempted to do this, send me the silver and I will be happy to google the result for you ;)

- Paul

Norman I wasn´t to make you do an experiment. There are chemical and physical laws that were proven many years ago by more clever people than we are. It isn´t so simple that (also in the bottle) two oxygen radicals form a molecule  oxygen O2, the radical firstly attacks O2, it splits in two radicals...  The reaction is radical reaction not atom reaction that causes an explosure and breaking the bottle. And stop. I won´t discuss this theory anymore, it´s more complicated and this web isn´t about the physical and chemical laws. The aim was to tell that concentration of Hydroxide Peroxide isn´t stabile and drops. Your experiment confirmed it, though the conditions of the experiment are disputable but enough to show that concentration drops.

For me the discussion was good because it showed that after 2,5 years on CAPi my brain is able to recall and use what I studied many years ago and that I am improving with MSi. For me it´s WOW! 

 

MSi for more than 30 years, WP since July 08, break Jan 09-March 09. NACi 2x600mg, Doxyi 2x100mg, Roxi 2x150mg, Entizol in pulzes, LDNi, supplementsi.Since May 2013 without abxi.

Uh, no, my experiment wasn't good enough to show that the concentration of peroxide drops: the result I got was indistinguishable from "no concentration drop", given the experimental accuracy. (As I said, the peroxide wasn't done bubbling yet; leaving it overnight brought the yield up to 65 ml.) I've never contested that the concentration drops; it was just the idea that
"after opening the bottle, if the concentration is low /it should be because of "safety"/ the concentration drops down rapidly and in a few days you may use a very pure sterilized water"
that I objected to. Yes, there's concentration drop, but it's not anywhere near that fast. You don't have to throw out old bottles of peroxide.

I know the theory is more complicated, but there's no ban on discussing complicated things on this website, and in any case some aspects of it are simple enough. There's nothing magical about free radical reactions; they too obey the laws of thermodynamics. And one thing about unstable, highly-reactive species is that they are just that: unstable. They quickly devolve into stable species, which in this case is ordinary O2. Peroxide tanks sometimes do indeed need to be vented to let it out, for fear of the pressure rise bursting the tank.

Paul, this "small piece of silver" was the top of an expended button-size silver-oxide battery, which cost $2 new, at retail. There might be at most a dollar of silver in it. (Not that it'd have mattered if the piece were more expensive: silver is just a catalyst here; it doesn't get used up in the reaction.) And as the Bible says, "Better is the sight of the eyes than the wandering of the Google."

Here is the article on H2O2 lowering intracellulari pH. Apparently the mechanism of action is blocking the NHE cell buffering mechanism not what I proposed. Still I do not see how this could be very useful except topically and even there only modestly so.

Hydrogen Peroxide Decreases pHi in Human Aortic Endothelial Cells by Inhibiting Na+/H+ Exchange<

- Paul

Ive taken intervenous ozone, and ive tried a food grade hydrogen peroxide protocol. Intervenous ozone worked systemically with short lived side effect of tightness in chest. Hydrogen peroxide orally worked only locally(, the mouth, the throat ) with the side effect of nausea and absolutly disgusting taste of dead tissue/bacteria. Oxygenated oral water formulas have produced no effect although they do taste like oxygen.

Im undecided on the safety of the use of either, but based on my experience the ozone was effective. I suspect intervenous hydrogen peroxide might produce similar results although i can only speak for ozone.Food grade 35% is the only stable/ ingestible kind.

 

 

 

 

 

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