Flagyl and Alcohol
I'm supposed to start a pulse of flagyli this week. The pharmacist told me absolutely do NOT take even the tiniest bit of alcohol with flagyl or I'll spend the day with my head in the toilet.
Yikes!
Is it really that bad? How careful do you have to be? Will the alcohol in a homeopathic remedy or cough syrup be enough to trigger a bout of nausea? He made it sound like I shouldn't even be in the same room the stuff. lol
How many days after your last flagyl dose do you have to wait before you can get near alcohol again?
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Yes, it is that bad and worse. I was given flagyl in hospital and the nurse was giving me mouthwash to brush my teeth with. I got really really sick... buckets and buckets and buckets worth of sick.
Definatly no alcohol based homeopathics or caugh meds, no mouthwash, aftershaves, perfumes, beware of all of it trust me even a tiny exposure can cause nausea. I even avoid the hand sanitizers in hospitals etc. Effects of minute amopunts of alcohol on flagyl can be so subtle its often hard to connect the causitive item to the reaction. Ive even been suspicious of my shampoo on ocassion.
I usually wait as long as possible, usually after about 3-4 days I stop being overly paranoid but who knows how long it takes to leave the system.. Im really not sure, maybe depends on the person.
CPNi pcri and antibody positive , treating MSi, CFSi, TMJ, trigeminal neuralgia, IBS neutropeniai, pus found in facial bone, Doxy 100x2, zithro 250x1 alternate days. Metroi pulses each month.
&nbs
Sunni, this warning is used as a precaution but some people can stomach some, whist others can't. I used to be in the same room as the stuff every night when I was on a pulse without sicking up and eventually I braved a bit and got the same result..........Sarah
An Itinerary in Light and Shadow...........Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after nearly four years, three of which intermittent. Still slowly improving and no exacerbation since starting. EDSSi was 7, now 2, less on a good day.
I think it depends on the person and whether one is used to drink alcohol on a regular basis. I avoid alcohol while taking Flagyli but happily and without problems have my usual glass of wine after the last day of the pulse. I don't think external use of alcohol containing stuff like deos, shampoos etc has any influence whatsoever.
Daniela
Cpni diagnosed. Monotherapy Feb08 - April 08. Then full Wheldon protocol. Feb.09 first steps toward intermittent. NACi, Vit D 2000IU, B complex
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
I don't drink starting 24 hours before a pulse until at least 24 hours after a pulse just to be sure. I'm scared enough of ending up "praying to porcelain" that I wouldn't even join in the toast to a successfully completed project recently - everyone on the team just assumed I'm a recovering alcoholic. Even so, the alcohol in sauces or liquid medications has never bothered me. People are different so to know for sure you either have to take the risk or scrupulously avoid it altogether.
CAPi for M.S. since 8/2007. Currently: 100 mg Dox. (2 x day), 250 mg Zithi (3 x week) ceased 3/2008, restarted 5/2008, 150 mg Roxi (2 x day) starting 3/2008, ended 5/2008. Ninth pulse metronidazole completed 6/7/2008.
CAPi for M.S. 8/2007 - 3/2009. Twentieth pulse metronidazole + INHi completed 3/12/2009. Intermittent treatment thereafter until 11/20/2009.
Thats what I found :
Lack of disulfiram-like reaction with metronidazole and ethanol
BACKGROUND: Metronidazole, an effective antianaerobic agent, has been reported to have aversive properties when ingested with ethanol. This is thought to be due to the blocking of hepatic aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) enzyme followed by the accumulation of acetaldehyde in the blood. However, based on animal studies and on only 10 human case reports, the existence of metronidazole-related disulfiram-like reaction has recently been questioned. OBJECTIVE: To investigate the possible disulfiram-like properties of metronidazole and ethanol in human volunteers. METHODS: Of 12 healthy male volunteers in this double-blind study, one-half received metronidazole for 5 days and the other half received placebo. All volunteers received ethanol 0.4 g/kg at the beginning of the study. Repeated blood samples were taken every 20 minutes for 4 hours, and blood acetaldehyde and ethanol concentrations were determined. Blood pressure, heart rate, and skin temperature were also measured every 20 minutes for objective signs of a possible disulfiram-like reaction. Volunteers also completed a questionnaire focusing on the subjective signs of disulfiram-like reaction. RESULTS: Metronidazole did not raise blood acetaldehyde or have any objective or subjective adverse effects when used together with ethanol. CONCLUSIONS: This study shows that metronidazole does not have an effect on blood acetaldehyde concentrations when ingested with ethanol and does not have any objective or subjective disulfiram-like properties. However, it is possible that disulfiram-like reaction can occur in some subgroups and by other mechanisms than the inhibition of hepatic ALDH.
None of the participants noted any dyspnea, flushing, vertigo, or headache during the test. Interestingly, the heart rates for the metronidazole group tended to be about 10bpm lower than the control group throughout the test. I don’t know that this is clinically significant, but it is interesting:
Final thoughts (Back to top)
So we’ve got some age-old advice that doesn’t stand up when tested properly, and we have a proposed mechanism of action that doesn’t hold up to closer scrutiny, either. Where does that leave us?
It leaves us with a couple things… Some people experience GI distress while on Flagyl. Sometimes they vomit. Sometimes they drink alcohol and vomit. Sometimes they drink alcohol and don’t vomit. That tells us that:
It is my suspicion that early researchers thought there was a link between metronidazole and alcoholism due to the medication’s side effects. Taste perversion. Smell perversion. These things will cause folks to avoid certain foods for the duration of the drug therapy. Alcohol is one of those things. It’s coincidental, and its usefulness in the real world is questionable.
Male 35 (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDSi, IBSi, Enterovirus, Cpni,treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Capi on 02/19/08, Currently NACi 2400, Doxyi 2x100, Biaxin 2x500, Metro pulses,pyr
yes, i am pretty cautious with flagyli and alcohol - which is very inconvenient as i often have a real craving at the start of pulse.......aaarghhh!
M.E./CFSi 20 years, intermittent. Wheldon Protocol - Started NACi and supplementsi Sept 2007. Doxyi and Roxy full dose by Dec '07. First Flagyl pulse January 2008.
I was reading comments on askapatient.com and it seems nearly everyone gets nauseated on this stuff even without going near alcohol. Sounds like good times ahead.
Bear in mind, no one who has little reaction to flagyl is posting, because they have no complaints about it. So, a thousand people might take it and ten might post with their complaints. That doesn't mean everyone has trouble with it; it means ten did and nine hundred ninety didn't, but nine hundred ninety had nothing to post about, so they didn't. Sites like that are skewed from the beginning, to reflect the most negative of responses.
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
Cesare, your point 5: a couple of people who have finished their treatment have reported that they no longer had any unpleasant reactions to Flagyli.
I suggest (very inexpertly) that unpleasantness from this drug is as a result of its action on Cpni. As many people are infected with Cpn without knowing it, it might easily be surmised I suppose that Flagyl is causing the unpleasantness.
Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse.
Hi Michele! It was not my own post . Just something I found on google on the interactions off flagyl with alcohol.
By the way I don t drink also alcohol while on flagyl. I m scared of unpleasent side effects....
In pursuit of ABX
Don't Allow What You Know To Get In The Way Of What Might Be
Sarah was the first to report no ill effects with a glass of wine, but I heeded my pharmacist and all the warnings on the labels. Then, by accident, I forgot I was on flagyli and had two mixed drinks at dinner one night. No problems. Did it again a couple of months later with red wine. No problem.
I think this may be one of those warnings that's there because some people have had trouble mixing the two, but by no means does it happen to everyone. If you feel the need to experiment, you might want to test it at home, near the bathroom?
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
The only thing that would make me "sick up" (to please Mac) was taking doxyi on an empty stomach then not sitting still for half an hour. David as a microbiologist, says it is a warning given to cover all eventualities: some people can and some can't. He always could, so, not wanting to miss out, after a while I thought I would try............Sarah
An Itinerary in Light and Shadow
Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath
It would be interesting if Jim or Mac could set up a survey and see how many people here get a reaction to alcohol when pusling with flagyli and how many people do not. My impression is that more people do then don't, but I have nothing but my impression to go on and I would be interested in actual data. And by the way, it makes me sicker then a dog, lol!
edit: I just went up the thread and saw some data posted from a study but would be interested in what people here see too
best, John
RRMSi/EDSSi was 4.5, 5, 6, 6.5, 6.9999, 6.5 on Wheldon/Stratton Protocol beginning 04/12/2006
naci 4x600 mg/day
doxycycline 2x100mg/day
azithromycin 3x250mg/day MWF
metronidazole 3x400mg/day then 3x500mg/day
CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dxi: 25+yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 250 aithromycin mwf, doxycycline 100mg BIDi, restarted Tinii pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3, 6mg Iodoral
Someone just sent me a link to this clip, and somehow it made me think of this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83JDXXKzOXg
One of you all above didn't get all loaded up with flagyli and red wine and then crank-call Ellen, did you? Sarah, Mac?
Treatment for Rosaceai
Fibro, CFSi, Myco, CPNi, Stratton protocol, Zithro 500mg M/W/F/S, Doxyi 100mg 2x day, NACi 1200mg 2x day, Flagyli and INHi 2 week pulses 400 mg 3x day, Rifampin, 300mg 2x day, Still cant shake it but improving.
I had 3 cocktails and nada, not one symptom. So its weird to me for those writing saying they just used mouth wash and were in bad shape- guess to each their own