I hope Jean UK doesn't mind, but I will quote a recent post by her:-
"What I dont understand is if these bugs can be so easily found under a dark field microscope why aren't other doctors looking for and finding them."
I have wanted to ask this question many times over the past few weeks, but kept forgetting.
Paula is also a patient of Dr AW in the UK. He found her CPni using this method of detection. I understand that you have to have a very good eye for detecting bacteria using this method.
What do you all think?
Is this a good way to look for CPn, saying as PCRi tests are pretty inacurate?
Mark
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UK Carer of bedridden Severe ME/CFS Feb06. CPNi dx. Apr07. Borrelia dx Sept08. Samento 15 drops per day July07. 2400mg NAC 200mg. Doxyii Jan08. 300mg Roxyii Apr08.
If this is so, then I am a
If this is so, then I am a bit confused.
The CPni is hard to detect because of its 3 life phases & it may not be in the blood when you are aiming to see them.
that said, I thought they were harder to see & you had to have a BIG microscope???
CFIDSi/ME 25yrs, FMSi, IBSi, EBVi, Cpn, (insomnia - melatonini, GABA, tarazadone, triazolam, novocycloprine, allergy formula, 3 gm tryptophan), Natural HRT peri-M, NACi 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, Pulse8 750mg 4day,375X1 3-24-8
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CFIDSi/ME 32 yrs, FMSi,
IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, chronic insomnia, Lymes, HME, Natural HRT peri-M, NACi 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, Pulse#14 1000 mg X 5 days 9-19-08The picture on the home
The picture on the home page is taken with a Bradford microscope, a power usually not found in most office settings. Depnds on the power of the scope and the technique of the operator, as well as the number of EBi's in the blood.
CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Protocol: 200mg Doxyi, 250mg MWF Azith, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D1000 units, Iodoral 50mg, T4 & T3
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CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 150mg BID Roxithromycin, Doxycycline 100mg BID, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3
My doc looked at my blood
My doc looked at my blood but did not see CPNi. He saw that my blood stuck together. Remember, cpn goes intracellulari. The microscope does not look intracelluarly.
Mphs, TN. CFSi, hypoT (Hashi), adrenal fatigue, 37 w/hormones of 80,. right arm neuropathy. + cpn, myco, EBVi, CMV. NACi 4000mg, doxyi 100-2xday, azith 250 m/w/f/sun, progesterone,
estriol, synthroid, pulseflagyli,tinii<___________________________________________________________
Mphs, TN. CFSi, hypoT (Hashi), adrenal fatigue, 37 w/hormones of 80,. right arm neuropathy. + cpni, myco, EBVi, CMV. NACi 4000mg, doxyi 100-2xday, azith 250 m/w/f/sun, progesterone,
estriol, synthroid, pulseflagyli,tinii<Hi Theres an excellent book
Hi Theres an excellent book by Lida Mattman who explains how to find the cell wall deficient bacteria and Dr AW learned how to find them through her I think
Jean
Jean, This book is really
Jean,
This book is really expensive on Amazon , would it be available in a library?
I saw Dr AW last week and saw some of the "little critters" that were in my blood from the first slide straight away. He was going to check further slides after I had left for other signs of cause of infection because it can take a while to find them.
Dawn
Dawn, Liverpool, UK, CAPi for Chlamydia Pneumonia since Nov 2007.
Amoxycillin 1000mg, Flagyl 400mg, Isoniazid 300mg. Also Azithromycn 125mg 3x per week.2nd course , Ivermectin 12mgs x3, Metronidazolei 400mg, Rifam
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Dawn, Liverpool, UK, CAPi for Chlamydia Pneumonia since Nov 2007.
Amoxycillin 1000mg, Flagyl 400mg, Isoniazid 300mg. Also Azithromycn 125mg 3x per week.2nd course , Ivermectin 12mgs x3, Metronidazolei 400mg, Rifam
Dawn, Liverpool, UK, CAPi
Dawn, Liverpool, UK, CAPi for Chlamydia Pneumonia since Nov 2007.
Amoxycillin 1000mg, Flagyl 400mg, Isoniazid 300mg. Also Azithromycn 125mg 3x per week.2nd course , Ivermectin 12mgs x3, Metronidazolei 400mg, Rifam
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Dawn, Liverpool, UK, CAPi for Chlamydia Pneumonia since Nov 2007.
Amoxycillin 1000mg, Flagyl 400mg, Isoniazid 300mg. Also Azithromycn 125mg 3x per week.2nd course , Ivermectin 12mgs x3, Metronidazolei 400mg, Rifam
If your library hasn't got a
If your library hasn't got a copy of this book they can get it for you through inter-library loans. There will probably be a small charge for this depending on the library reservation charging policy. Make sure that you have the full details including the ISBN and you should have no problem apart from the wait - not as long as the NHS though.
New Forest, UK. Progressive MSi dx 12/06 LDNi 3/07 CAPi 6/07: Wheldon version.
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Progressive MSi dx2006. LDNi & CAPi: Wheldon version. All supps. Doxyi 200mg. Zithi 250mg. Metroi 400mg.Pulses #14...I can because I think I can.
I had one done once but it
I had one done once but it was only alternative medicine DR and done from a pin prick to the thumb. On the screen showed these strange balls floting around in my blood. They wernt red blood cells because the red blood cells appeared lighter and clear and these were more whitish but still round. The white blood cells were funy shaped so these wernt white blood cells either. The alternative med dr said he has no idea what these balls were and suggested maybe toxoplasmosis so i went to get checked for that... negative. Anyway, when i saw the pic of the cpni on the opening page here I remembered thinking to myself.. holy cow those are the balls I saw on my dark field microscopy! But would cpn even be in blood from the fingertips? I guess if it lives in skin maybe???
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CPNi pcri and antibody positive , treating MSi,
CFSi, TMJ, trigeminal neuralgia,IBSineutropenia, pus found in facial bone,Doxyi 100x2,Doxy 200x2 zithro 250x1 alternate days. Metroi pulses each month.My experience has been being
My experience has been being able to see the EBi's on my RBC's. The microscope my doc uses was custom made, he does the blood stick, prepares the slide and looks at the blood smear. He has a camera that can photograph the slide, this goes into the chart. I am very grateful to have this person as my doc. Managed care in the US has done a dis-service to folks with chronic illness. We also have to undergo diagnostic testing that is automated, no more looking under microscopes to do WBC counts due to the expense doc have in having to hire certified lab techs to do such things in doctor's offices. I could go on and on but better get off my soap box about all this.
Lisa B
ebvi,lymes, cpni and or another gram+ bug; currently off capi for now;
But as Ruthless said
But as Ruthless said above, CPni has three life phases, so you won't always have EBs to see. However powerful a dark field microscope, one has yet to be invented that can see the inside of a blood cell, so the other life phases will not be visible.
As an aside I bought Lida Mattman's book as a birthday present for DW a few years ago but it is rather disappointing being rather out of date now. Oppenheimer's Diagnostic Neuropathology is much better, equally large and expensive and is kept up to date by Margaret Esiri, who succeeded Oppenheimer at Oxford.............Sarah
An Itinerary in Light and Shadow......................Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after nearly four years, three of which intermittent. Still slowly improving and no exacerbation since starting. EDSSi was 7, now 2, less on a good day.
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For some interesting pic's
For some interesting pic's of Chlamydia inclusions by a highly technical but visible method see:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2334/6/165
These researchers are on the cutting edge of Chlamydia microbiology.
CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Protocol: 200mg Doxyi, 300mg Roxithromycin, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D1000 units, Iodoral 50mg, T4 & T3
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CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 150mg BID Roxithromycin, Doxycycline 100mg BID, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3
Now we can see the little
Now we can see the little villains in their nests, this will help anyone who uses visualisation techniques to zoom in on their enemy. Images duly saved for future reference, thanks Jim.
New Forest, UK. Progressive MSi dx 12/06 LDNi 3/07 CAPi 6/07: Wheldon version. Pulses so far #10
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Progressive MSi dx2006. LDNi & CAPi: Wheldon version. All supps. Doxyi 200mg. Zithi 250mg. Metroi 400mg.Pulses #14...I can because I think I can.