note: edited to add a study 1pm PST
New work in the field of community acquired pneumonia caused by CPn had a really nice review of the cytokinei profile caused by this pathogen. abstract text below:
Systemic cytokine profile in children with community-acquired pneumonia.Michelow IC, Katz K, McCracken GH, Hardy RD.
Departments of Pediatrics and Internal Medicine (Divisions of Infectious Diseasesi), University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, Texas.
OBJECTIVES: Characterization of the systemic cytokine response in community-acquired pneumonia (CAPi) may facilitate our understanding of the host immune response and provide a prognostic as well as diagnostic tool. Systemic cytokine characterization of CAP has been limited largely to a few integral cytokines in adults. METHODS: Analyses were performed to investigate whether significant relationships existed between an expanded serum cytokine profile and etiologies, manifestations, and outcomes of pediatric CAP. The serum concentrations of 15 cytokines were investigated in 55 hospitalized children with well-characterized CAP. RESULTS: Comparison of median cytokine concentrations among patients with CAP caused by Mycoplasma pneumoniae or Chlamydophila pneumoniae, Streptococcus pneumoniae, viruses, mixed infections, or unidentified pathogens revealed significant differences in IFN-alpha, IL-6, IL-17, GM-CSF, and TNF-alpha concentrations. The mixed infections category had significantly elevated concentrations of IFN-alpha, IL-6, GM-CSF, and TNF-alpha. There were significant correlations between concentrations of IL-6 and markers of disease severity (white blood cell band-forms, procalcitonin, and unequivocal consolidation). No single cytokine could reliably differentiate the etiologic cause of pneumonia. CONCLUSIONS: IL-6 is the only one of 15 serum cytokines studied that correlated with indicators of disease severity in childhood CAP. The applicability of cytokine profiles to identify microbiologic etiologies of pneumonia remains to be defined. Pediatr Pulmonol. 2007; 42:640-645. (c) 2007 Wiley-Liss, inc.
PMID: 17534977 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
There is an interesting picture of how the body responds in its effort to clear the pathogen. Of course pneumonia is an acute infection and they were looking for disease markers that predicted outcomes, not why I included it here. I am strictly looking that the profile of cytokine upregulation for the rest of this page.
We have discussed the similarities between the profile of CPn and MSi before on the Smoking Guns page in the handbook, but take a look at the following recent abstract on MS and cytokines
Monocyte-derived cytokines in multiple sclerosis.Filion LG, Graziani-Bowering G, Matusevicius D, Freedman MS.
Department of Biochemistry, University of Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. lfilion@uottowa.ca
MS is an inflammatory, presumably autoimmune, disease mediated by the activation of T cells, B cells and monocytes (MO). Inflammationi is thought to occur early during the relapsing-remitting phase of MS (RRMSi), whereas in the later phases of MS such as secondary progressive MS (SPMSi), inflammation tends to diminish. Our objective was to compare the types and amounts of proinflammatory and regulatory cytokines produced by MO from relapsing-remitting patients with or without treatment with IFN-beta (RRMS+ therapy, RRMS- therapy), respectively, from secondary progressive patients (SPMS) and from healthy controls (HC). MO were isolated by a density-gradient technique and three different techniques (RNase protection assay, ELISA and intracellulari cytokine staining) were used to assess cytokine levels. An increase in IL6, IL12 and TNF-alpha was observed by all three methods for RRMS- therapy and for SPMS patients compared to HC and RRMS+ therapy patients. We conclude that proinflammatory and regulatory monokines can be derived from MO of MS patients and that these levels are modulated by IFN-beta therapy. Although it is believed that inflammation tends to diminish in SPMS patients, our data show that inflammatory cytokines continue to be released at high levels, suggesting that IFN-beta or IL10 treatment may be beneficial for this group.
PMID: 12562396 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
While this one had a focus on interferon therapy and how it might impact people with MS based on these cytokine understandings, it remains interesting for the fact that it shows similar profiles to the CPn one. It should be noted that this does not preclude autoimmunity, potentially if the body is "reacting to myelini as if" it is a foreign protein, these same things could theoretically be up regulated. On the other hand, EAE which is of course a real autoimmune disease created in the lab has a completely different cytokine profile than MS as was shown by Sriram et al "Experimental allergic encephalomyelitis: a misleading model of multiple sclerosis" Ann Neurol. 2006 Jul;60(1):12-21.
But here's another one looking at cytokines in RRMS vs SPMS to evaluate the differences
Comment in:
Mult Scler. 2001 Jun;7(3):143-4.
Intracellular cytokine profile in T-cell subsets of multiple sclerosis patients: different features in primary progressive disease.Killestein J, Den Drijver BF, Van der Graaff WL, Uitdehaag BM, Polman CH, Van Lier RAi.
Department of Neurology, VU Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the expression of cytokines in both CD4+ and CD8+ T cells derived from peripheral blood of untreated multiple sclerosis (MS) patients with either relapsing-remitting (RR), secondary progressive (SP) or primary progressive (PP) MS and healthy controls (HC). BACKGROUND: MS is an immune-mediated disease and cytokines hove been hypothesized to contribute significantly to disease progression. Compared to the relapse-onset (RR, SP) form of the disease, PPMSi patients have different clinical, immunological and pathological features. Surprisingly, the ability of their circulating T cells to produce immunoregulatory cytokines has not been extensively studied so far. METHODS: Seventy-two MS patients (24 RR, 26 SP, 22 PP) and 34 HC were studied. Stimulated peripheral blood derived CD4+ and CD8+ T MS patients express significantly more CD4+ and CD8+ T cells were analyzed for IFN-gamma, IL-2, TNF-alpha, IL-4, IL-10 and IL-13 production. RESULTS: cells producing IFN-gamma compared to HC. Compared to the other forms of the disease, PPMS patients display a significant decrease in CD4+ T cells producing IL-2, IL-13 and TNF-alpha and a significant increase in CD8+ T cells producing IL-4 and IL-10. CONCLUSIONS: The data presented here demonstrate that patients with PPMS express less pro- and more anti-inflammatory cytokine producing T cells compared to the relapse-onset form of the disease, confirming the view on PPMS as a distinct disease entity.
PMID: 11475436 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
SPMS appears to have a more suppressive profile in terms of the cytokines. Might it be possible that this suppressive profile allows more penetration of CPn in brain tissue, and thus more disease? It has long puzzled researchers why it might be true that SPMS shows clearly less inflammation but somehow the disease still progresses and faster than before. Well an infection fits that very nicely.
I am going to speculate wildly here and say that if CPn causes MS, it is possible the body gives up and creates more suppressive cells late in the disease as a protective mechanism, in other words the immune system notes the ongoing infection and kind of gives up trying to maintain a constant attack and thus regulates itself with more IL10. This might be compared to the antigen tolerance that develops in allergy when the patient goes to get "allergy shots".
This next one is a paper on cytokines again, but this one did an interesting thing:
they took the monocytes of healthy people and people with MS and stimulated them in vitro (exposed monos to an agent to cause them to make cytokines in a petri dish)and discovered that people with MS and normal persons had THE SAME reaction. Well now, that seems to shoot down the idea of a whacky immune system that needs to be taken in hand does it not?
This really is interesting and it suggests that MS is NOT a disease in which there is some gross difference between the "autoimmune MSer" and a normal person. This suggests that the MS persons immune response is just like a normal persons.
Comment in:
Mult Scler. 2001 Jun;7(3):143-4.
Similar pro- and anti-inflammatory cytokine production in the different clinical forms of multiple sclerosis.Duran I, Martinez-Caceres EM, Brieva L, Tintore M, Montalban X.
Servei de Neurologia, Hospital Vall d'Hebron, Barcelona, Spain.
Cytokinesi play an important role in the initiation and maintenance of the inflammatory reaction in multiple sclerosis, a chronic inflammatory demyelinating disease of the central nervous system. Magnetic resonance imaging evidence supports clinical divergence between forms of multiple sclerosis with relapses and the primary progressive form without relapses, which shows fewer and smaller inflammatory lesions. With the aim of understanding better the relative role of pro-inflammatory and/or anti-inflammatory cytokines in primary progressive multiple sclerosis in comparison to relapsing forms, we analysed in 65 patients (24 primary progressive, 20 relapsing-remitting and 21 secondary progressive) and 29 healthy controls, the production of cytokines (IFN-gamma, TNF-alpha, IL-6, IL-10 and IL-12) by peripheral blood mononuclear cells after in vitro stimulation. We found a similar percentage of cytokines producing cells between healthy controls and the different clinical forms of multiple sclerosis patients.
PMID: 11475437 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
this next one ties it up nicely and shows a propensity for the progresive person to continue to make gamma interferon and IL12 . It is clear that gamma interferon is an important regulator of CPn. If we accept that, then the upregulation of gamma interferon and IL12 is not an anomalous immune reaction that requires IL10 to dampen it down, but rather a normal response to CPn.
Defective regulation of IFNgamma and IL-12 by endogenous IL-10 in progressive MS.Balashov KE, Comabella M, Ohashi T, Khoury SJ, Weiner HL.
Center for Neurologic Diseases, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, USA.
BACKGROUND: MS is a chronic inflammatory disease of the CNSi postulated to be a Th1 type cell-mediated autoimmune disease. There is increased interferon-gamma (IFNgamma) secretion in MS, and IFNgamma administration induces exacerbations of disease. IFNgamma expression is closely regulated by a number of cytokines produced by different cells of the immune system. Interleukin-12 (IL-12) is a major factor leading to Th1-type responses, including IFNgamma secretion, and there is increased secretion of IL-12 in MS. IL-10 is a potent inhibitor of both IL-12 and IFNgamma expression. METHODS: The authors investigated cytokine production and proliferative responses of peripheral blood mononuclear cells stimulated with soluble anti-CD3 in healthy controls and patients with stable relapsing-remitting MS or progressive MS. RESULTS: The authors found that T cell receptor-mediated IFNgamma and IL-10 secretion were increased in progressive MS, whereas IL-4 and IL-2 secretion and lymphocyte proliferative responses were normal. Anti-IL-12 antibody suppressed raised IFNgamma in progressive MS but did not affect raised IL-10. In addition, neutralization of endogenous IL-10 upregulated IFNgamma in controls but not progressive MS. IL-10 was produced by CD4+ cells whereas IFNgamma was produced by both CD4+ and CD8+ cells. There were no differences in IL-10 receptor expression in MS patients. CONCLUSIONS: These abnormalities in IL-10 regulation were not seen in the relapsing-remitting form of MS. Thus, the defect in regulation of both IL-12 and IFNgamma production by endogenous IL-10 in progressive MS could be an important factor involved in the transition of MS from the relapsing to the progressive stage and has implications for treating MS patients with exogenous IL-10.
PMID: 10908889 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
This page is highly speculative and my personal opinion which I have referenced as above. It does lean heavily away from autoimmunity and towards MS being infective.
You should know however this is not an exhaustive look at this subject but me supporting my opinion.
marie

Are your eyes crossed yet?
Are your eyes crossed yet? I have added a lot of research to the archives this weekend, this is editorial; I just ran into the right combo of papers and put it in one thread.
marie
On CAPi since Sept '05 for MSi, RAi, Asthmai, sciatica. EDSSi at start 5.5. Currently on: Doxy 200, Azith 3x week, Tini cont. since April '07, all supplementsi.
"Color out side the lines!"
I read the bits you wrote,
I read the bits you wrote, that saved me from trying to make sense of the rest. But interesting stuff. It has always puzzled me that the immunei system should go haywire and attack the body, when it is down regulated in pregnancy. If it can down regulate itself to preserve the ability to reproduce, you would think that it could do the same to preserve life until the menopause at least... I think it is just doing its job, fighting an infection... just because the infection is not easily identified does not mean it is not there.
Michele (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAP1st May 2006 . Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, Flagyli at 400mg for 7 days prior to 5 day pulses at 1200mg three weeks cycle. Spokesperson for Ella, RRMSi Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006
Michele I have not been
Michele I have not been tending my thread! Forgive me please, and thank you for the comment. I think your comment is excellant regarding pregnancy and the body's ability to protect life by recognizing the need to down regulate itself. that also supports the idea of the SPMSi person downregulating to preserve nerves etc.
marie
On CAPi since Sept '05 for MS, RAi, Asthmai, sciatica. EDSSi at start 5.5. Currently on: Doxy 200, Azith 3x week, Tini cont. since April '07, all supplementsi.
"Color out side the lines!"