chronic chlamydial infection and tumours

There is good reason to believe that chronic chlamydial infection may facilitate the growth of cancers in that chlamydiae prevent host cells from killing themselves (apoptosisi<). A cell that ‘feels’ itself undergoing malignant change kills itself using the caspase pathway. If it is prevented from doing this a tumour may result.  (There is some evidence that Chlamydia psittaci is involved in ocular lymphomas — in some patients the tumours regressed when treated with doxycycline. [Chlamydial infection: the link with ocular adnexal lymphomas. Ferreri AJ, Dolcetti R, Magnino S, Doglioni C, Ponzoni M. Nat Rev Clin Oncol. 2009 Nov;6(11):658-69.] It would be interesting if C. pneumoniae behaved similarly. Indeed, there is evidence that certain lung cancers are associated with raised titres of C. pneumoniae: [Azithromycin enhances the favorable results of paclitaxel and cisplatin in patients with advanced non-small cell lung cancer. Chu DJ, Yao DE, Zhuang YF, Hong Y, Zhu XC, Fang ZR, Yu J, Yu ZY. Genet Mol Res. 2014 Apr 14;13(2):2796-805.] This is fascinating.)

 

 

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Yes, there's probably a few other people besides myself nodding their heads as they read what you've written.

It's just over four years now since protrate cancer took my dad.  Perhaps cancer is "Just one of those things" ... but I don't think so.  I think that all of these so called innocuous infectionsi are far nastier than they are given credit for (if credit is the right word).  I think that their crimes go unattributed and these pathogens continue to get away with it.

G.

“Don't believe everything you read on the internet.”

―    Abraham Lincoln<

Let's add a soccer ball sized ovarian 'cyst' to that list.  (Yes, I know; I questioned the size, too, but my Pakistani surgeon assured me he knew exactly how big a soccer ball is, as 'we play soccer in my country'.) I was told it was a non-specific, 'borderline' tumor.  How cancer is or is not borderline is beyond me, but though it was completely benign, it wasn't normal to have a growth like that, so it was tagged 'borderline' by Massachusetts Geneeral's cancer center.

Now that I think about it, this occurred within months of the episode where my legs went completely out from under me and I was unable to walk for ten or twenty minutes.  Pehaps that's when my cpni infection truly went acute?  Three decades ago.  Who knows...

Thanks, David, for the insights.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

More thoughts about tumours, whether benign or no: my fibroidsi caused me to have a hysterectom ynot much more than a year before I started on the abxi protocol.  They must have started soon after my MSi bagan in my twenties, thinking of various thimgs that happened.  God, how stupid I was to go cycling in France the day after I lost an incredible amount of blood.  33 by then...........................Sarah

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Yes, I have heard that Chlamydia P causes cancer and the Lyme doc explained to me today the huge importance of lymphatic drainage. I have taken Lymphdiaral ( homeopathic drops ) for a long time to try to make sure that things are draining properly. Hope this helps.

Luckypenny: I'd be grateful for citations in scientific journals.

D W - [Myalgia and hypertension">i (typically 155/95.) Began (2003) taking doxycycline and macrolide and later adding metronidazolei. No medication now. Morning BP typically 110/75]

OK I'll try but today...bah

 

Sorry - hard day at the officeWink

 

 

Hope this helps

 

luckypenny, I wish to know why Lymphdiaral (homoeopathic drops) works. Please give citations.

D W - [Myalgia and hypertension">i (typically 155/95.) Began (2003) taking doxycycline and macrolide and later adding metronidazolei. No medication now. Morning BP typically 110/75]

DW - were those links good for you? I take the drops as once I had a blocked lymph node and the lymphatic system in your bod helps to carry out crap and cleanse. These homeopathic drops do just that. Not too many $$ and works too. Super bonus!


 Lymphdiaral - http://www.pascoecanada.com/en/product/25/<

No: Luckypenny: I want evidence from papers published in real real scientific journals that Lymphdiaral (homoeopathic drops) works. Promotional publications will not do.

D W - [Myalgia and hypertension">i (typically 155/95.) Began (2003) taking doxycycline and macrolide and later adding metronidazolei. No medication now. Morning BP typically 110/75]

Chlamydia trachomatis has been implicated as a cofactor (with HPV) in cervical cancer; I haven't looked into the matter much, but here's one citation:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17096345<

Are you writing a book?

 

Luckypenny, You are aware you're conversing with DW, Dr. David Wheldoni, the man who designed your antibiotic protocol? 

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

Foot in MouthNo, I am sorry I was not aware. And bless him for the protocol. I am fairly new here so no. Apologies. I am sure he understands us new peeps.

Uh oh - just lost much of what I wrote.... was at Dr. J. Krop yesterday - Toronto /Ontario and we were discussing the importance of lymphatic drainage.

Here is one link - I will try again to find what I lost.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15353020<

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23424755<

Hope to find more...

Linda

Oh, he understands and we both laughed!..........Sarah 

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Thank goodness I made you laugh.....Embarassed

Well, I think I am hysterical tonight - in a good way and trying to think of why D.W. didn't register for me as Doctor, although I am on your protocol and very grateful too!

It came to me tonight and please forgive me Dr. W., I teach schoolWink and so somehow I was thinking that D.W. was someone's " alias/name" for this site and here is the link to what I used to know as DW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlsVqZfnqyo<  Years of this and it somehow stays in the memory...hope you can enjoy Smile

Again, please forgive...

Linda

Good grief!  David can't see it yet because our phone line is off until tomorrow evening...........Sarah 

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MSi in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Oh Sarah, hope the phone line gets in soon - hate that. Don't think I am too good at getting these citations.. but I will keep trying because I swear Lymphdiaral does me good.

Not to worry in the least! Good to hear from you!

D W - [Myalgia and hypertension">i (typically 155/95.) Began (2003) taking doxycycline and macrolide and later adding metronidazolei. No medication now. Morning BP typically 110/75]

Well it's always good to hear from you!!!!

Some speculation on the link:

http://www.cpnhelp.org/chlamydia_pneumoniae_in_prostate_pathologies<

The reference seems off, though, but the authors have published on related topics (although a bit unconventional approaches).

Borrelia/Cpni arthritis: joint, skin, eye, CNSi, respiratory, UG involvment; fatigue. Borrelia Elisa&WB IgGi, and CPn IgG and IgA pos, HLA-B27 neg. CAPi 5/9/2010 -> 3/2016 2017: some signs and symptoms returning, Borrelia?

This thread was started to highlight the posibilities that pathogens such as CPni can enable cancerous cells to grow and multiply, with the afflicted cell being deprived of its normal ability to commit suicide.  That is an extremely interesting subject with wide and far-reaching implications.

The issue of Homeopathy has popped up which has evoked the call for scientific evidence that homeopathy works.

If that subject is to be debated here at CPnhelp, then a seperate thread would be the right and proper place.  When I have some energy again, I shall post a topic on that subject.  In the mean time, I shall continue with The Wheldon Protocol.  Having gone through the motions once, I shall not further bother my GP or other health professionals asking them to prescribe CAPi to me; I do not have sufficient evidence to convince them that it is appropriate (by their standards).  In line with many other people that frequent this site, I believe that even if I become cured of this incurable illness that they have diagnosed me with; that evidence will count for nothing and will merley be an example of misdiagnosis - not evidence that CAP works.

G

(I once promised to write a definitive piece on the subject of placebo but have yet to do it.  I will get to it in the end)

“Don't believe everything you read on the internet.”

―    Abraham Lincoln<

I have not had much luck in proving the workings of homeopathic meds. They have helped me alot and wish I could prove this in some way////

Linda

Thanks, Supaguy.  This thread has been so hijacked, I'm thinking we should ask Dr. Wheldon to re-post it and then maybe everyone could stay on the topic he broached.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

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