Chlamydia chapters in Buhner's new book

Happy Holidays,

I haven't been on here in a while, mainly because I think I've beat Cpni and am now trying to get rid of Borrelia, Bartonella and Babesia that I discovered I also had.

Anyway, I bought the new book by Stephen Buhner that was just released this month. I found that it contains 3 meaty chapters on Chlamydia, including Cpn. It gets pretty in depth into the nature of Chlamydial infectionsi and also has a treatment protocol. Buhner is an herbalist and his approach tends to be to use herbs primarily to stop the bacteria from hijacking the body's immunei system and inflammatory processes and only secondarily for directly killing them. So it could be a useful complement to the CAPi advocated here.

It's interesting that the Lyme community, despite being generally aware of the importance of also dealing with co-infections, is only really now waking up to the role played by Cpn.

http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Lyme-Borreliosis-Coinfections-Rickettsiosi...<

Hi Dylan,

Buhner´s  cpni protocol, which he wrote to me and I posted here a while ago,managed to get rid of cpn for me.

sphinx

 Wheldon CAPi May 2008,   52  Tinii pulses - stopped Nov.2013- Buhner´s protocol Dec. 2013 till  June 2014 - cpni free Oct. 2014

Happy Holidays Dylan, 

Nice! I will buy that book. 

Buhner's protocol not only would help a CAPi protocol to arradicate cpni more quickly but also to protect the body from antibioticsi side effects and dieoff symptoms. Mushrooms like lion's mane and reishi promote neurons and gut lining cells(also neurons) regeneration, acording to studies - and my personal expeience. 

For a cpn persistant case, as a CAP alone may now not be effective, the herbs will do the job. An antibiotic drug is normally a single compound isolated from a herb, plant. That clearly means one plant that is effective against cpn has a lot more to offer, in terms of killing, eradicating, protecting and regenerating our DNA and tissues.

Thank you for sharing!

"A strong brain, a strong hurt, that order."

Here is a website about mushrooms properties that may excite one to look into more detailed, Scientific informations in that respect:

http://www.heilenmitpilzen.de/gastro-intestinal-disorders.html<

Yes, he has updated his protocol for CPNi (Berberine, baikal skullcap, salvia miltiorrhiza, cordyceps, ashwagandha, glycyrrhiza, bidens and vitamin A is the core protocol). Seems good if you you tolerate the herbs, I have big problems with some of them. I try to make a protocol that covers all my infectionsi (cpn, lyme, coxackie, mycoplasma and yersinia) to take along with the antibioticsi.

Hi Sphinx,

good to see you around! Have you done more follow up LTTs? Do you experience more improvment in function?

Best wishes.

Borrelia/Cpni arthritis: joint, skin, eye, CNSi, respiratory, UG involvment; fatigue. Borrelia Elisa&WB IgGi, and CPn IgG and IgA pos, HLA-B27 neg. CAPi 5/9/2010 -> 3/2016 2017: some signs and symptoms returning, Borrelia?

Hi nord,

good to hear from you.How are you doing ?

I haven´t done more LTT `s , because everything is fine. The improvements I get now, tiny ones,  are based on my daily exercises I think.

Wish you a healthy 2026.

sphinx

 Wheldon CAPi May 2008,   52  Tinii pulses - stopped Nov.2013- Buhner´s protocol Dec. 2013 till  June 2014 - cpni free Oct. 2014

Good to hear from you too, Sphinx, and that you are doing well!

Keeping up the exercising is probably the best way for you to get continous improvement, even if it is slow!

Generally, I am also doing well now, and have switched from normal treatment with pulses to intermittent treatment in October (did a seven month stretch of Rifa, with months of tinii starting about a year ago). With the intermittent plan, some gut issues reemerge when going off antibioticsi, but difficult to say if it is from infection or that the antibiotics have some positive side-effects.

A swollen lymph node in my abdomen that changes in size, to some extent with the antibiotics, appeared in April last year, which probably is from infection (which may be borrelia).

I will probably have another follow up with the Dr in Germany.

There is the possibility to add in some other oral antibiotics (amoxi, INHi, and a fluoroquinoline are candidates). My Ig levels for Cpni were still high last year, but I think the LTTs are better (but the Dr didn't like them the first time I visited him in 2010).

The Buhner Protocol is also (and again) very tempting, as I recall I told you that it was my plan to try it after the stretch of rifa (lagging six months here :-). Your experience with it (including the LTTs) is very interesting.

Best wishes for 2016 and continuing improvment!

Nord

Borrelia/Cpni arthritis: joint, skin, eye, CNSi, respiratory, UG involvment; fatigue. Borrelia Elisa&WB IgGi, and CPn IgG and IgA pos, HLA-B27 neg. CAPi 5/9/2010 -> 3/2016 2017: some signs and symptoms returning, Borrelia?

Hi Nord,

thank you for telling me how you are doing at the moment. I only trust LTT´s , because the antibody levels can remain for too long, even though the infection is gone.

On the German cpni site,several members switched to Buhner´s protocol, with really good results.

Best wishes

sphinx

 Wheldon CAPi May 2008,   52  Tinii pulses - stopped Nov.2013- Buhner´s protocol Dec. 2013 till  June 2014 - cpni free Oct. 2014

Hi Nord,

I would just like to ask you about testing to see if the cpni remains. I had a rather pricey test in the beginning to see if I had it, which I did/do, but would like to test again. I have been on Capi for 1 & 1/2 years.

And, of course I'll pay whatever if I have to. But, as far as I know, testing again would mean that I need to be off abxi for 6 weeks prior and I am reluctant to do that in case the Cpn is not gone and I backtrack.....Perhaps you have some guidance for me - I would be grateful. L.

Hi L,

testing is difficult, and that's part of the reason so much is unknown, I think.

Of course it depends on what test you did before starting. For antibody testing, the fact that Cpni (as well as other chronic infectionsi) can suppress the immunei system, treating the infection (-s) can cause the antibodies to rise. Other factors can act similarly. the conclusion is that testing antibody levels is very imprecise, and it takes long series of results to see a trend.

It is probably of more value to carefully follow reactions to pulses and the general development of signs and symptoms.

I had antibodies tested after four years of treatment (still on antibioticsi) and had higher levels of antibodies than prior to starting treatment (when I was a lot more ill). The Dr thought it meaningless (as well as testing for Lyme/Borrelia that he was certain I still had). 

The Lymphocyte transformation test that Sphinx mention is probably a lot better (more dicussion of the test in chronic Borrelia infections in German sources).

Good luck!

Borrelia/Cpni arthritis: joint, skin, eye, CNSi, respiratory, UG involvment; fatigue. Borrelia Elisa&WB IgGi, and CPn IgG and IgA pos, HLA-B27 neg. CAPi 5/9/2010 -> 3/2016 2017: some signs and symptoms returning, Borrelia?

Hi and thanks~ I am pretty sure I tested for the actual bacteria in the blood, but will go back and see if I can find the test results to be sure - it had cost about 400$....L.

As far as I know one does not have to get off of ABXi to retest for Cpni...that seems to be true of Lyme, but I just used the regular Quest blood test for Cpn  as did my whole family and it is pretty accurate and not so expensive. It will at least give you a ballpark figure for your titers. I was originally tested at Dr. Strattons lab and did not test again until I was nearly done with the protocol...I know several others who have used the Quest test and I think it can be trusted rather than jumping thru hoops to get something "more accurate"   I ghave retested about 3 times since my latest reimergence of Cpn and the testing seems to be acceptable. 

Diana

Thank you soooo much for this - I will look up my last test and then pursue yours...maybe the info I got was wrong - seems like! Linda

What is Buhner's protocol? I couldn't find your earlier post...

BernieM

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