Beginning Dr Hahn' Protocol

Tomorrow I will be starting the 12 wk protocol. I was lucky enough to get my General Physician to give us the go ahead. I had previously experienced vertigo from an inner ear infection after a bout of bronchitis. The PA prescribed azithromycin and after taking the 5 day Z Pak I was amazed to notice that my adult onset asthmai had taken a serious hit! Sooo I googled az & asthma and found your site. I quickly searched for some clinical support, made copies and got in to the doctor. Their normal protocol for asthma was steroidal and Singular etc. I wasn't a big fan of prednisone and took adverse reaction to Singular. But by the very evidence of my asthma sympton reduction we came to the understanding to give this a try. I will follow up this post with a running account of how things go.

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Protocol, additionally, the

Protocol, additionally, the link below  is an excellent explanation of how  Dr. Stratton believes CPNi causes all of the different diseasesi<

http://www.cpnhelp.org/how_chlamydia_pneumoniae_<

 

and this one on the various antibiotic protocolsi:

 

http://www.cpnhelp.org/treatment_protocols<

JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi<; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

Thanks everyone for the

Thanks everyone for the info. I hear everything you are saying. I will give feedback to my GP and see what response is given. I am happy however to find at least encouragement and willingness on their part to even consider working with me. I will use as much clinical hardcopy to push the the ideas and experiences you have stated here. The FNP did ask if there was more current data than 2004. The NCBI page linked to Pubs I don't have access to, so if anyone knows of a link to a CAPi regimen it would be appreciated. Thanks once again.

This is a good overview of

This is a good overview of the 'how' and 'why' of cpni treatment.

  http://www.davidwheldon.co.uk/ms-treatment.html< 

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

Hi Protocol,As you will no

Hi Protocol,

As you will no doubt know from browsing through this site, our protocolsi are different to the one you are comtemplating, the reason being that we believe we are treating Chlamydia Pneumonia and that one antibiotic will not do the job.   I have sent you a welcome message with some links that might be useful to you in understanding the rationale behind our protocol.   Be advised that we can only offer support for the protocol that we follow as the majority of us here have little experience of other protocols. Please be aware also that we share our experience only and that implies that for the most part we are not medically trained, but rather we are expert patients.

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse.

Dr. Hahn's protocol is

Dr. Hahn's protocol is linked on the "asthmastory dot com" site mentioned by Sunnivara above.  If you click on my link  "here" in my post below  it will take you to  his treatment plan  (but I posted the dosage exerpt below)

It is NOT the same as Combination Antibiotic Protocol for CPNi.... it is Azith monotherapy.  At least your getting started Protocol ... but again as mentioned by the others as well, it is correct that if you have CPN, taking only Azith for 12 weeks (as prescribed by the "Dr. Hahn" protocol") will not get rid of it... it will only silently go cryptic and deeper into your cells and organs setting you up for other possible illnesses.

Dr. Hahn's  Protocol: 

For adults, I currently recommend either:
• azithromycin, 600 milligram tablets, 1 daily for 3 days, then 1 weekly for 12 weeks, or
• azithromycin 250 milligram tablets, 2 daily (500 mg) for 3 days, then 3 tablets (750 mg)
weekly for 12 weeks
I provide patients with the following information:
• this is empirical, non-FDA approved treatment  (To this I say so what !!)
• continue your usual asthma rescue and controller medications for the time being
• do not expect any response from this treatment for several weeks or months
• if you have no response by 12 weeks, further treatment is not recommended
• if you have a response that wanes after treatment, I recommend retreatment

 

JeanneRoz

JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi<; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

I think the "12 week" thing

I think the "12 week" thing came from www.asthmastory.com<. However, if you read through that site that guy actually stayed on longer. Many of the articles about 12 week testing indicate that most patients improved but did not necessarily get rid of their asthma. I think this because they quit too soon but there has been no real studies specifically for asthma with treatments longer than 12 weeks.

I will tell you my story. I developed "adult onset asthma" after a chest cold and bronchitis. I stumbled across the asthmastory.com website one day and that made me start researching and that led me to this site.

I contacted a dozen doctors before I could find one who would listen and let me try at least the 3 months of azi. They are not easy to convince. But I did find one skeptical but somewhat open-minded asthma doctor who was willing to give it a try. 

There was improvement after the first month shown both in symptom improvement and spirometer testing. The improvements were significant and even the skeptical doctor was impressed. But then I plateaued and didn't seem to be improving any more.

After reading this site I became more and more convinced that the reason for the plateau was because I was using only azi. But this doctor didn't want to go any further with it so I had to find another willing to do the abxi combo ... which I did thanks to the wonderful people on this web site.

It wasn't until I was on all 3 antibiotics for several months before I really started to feel that my asthma was finally going away. I started azi Jan 2008, added the other 2 abxi last summer. I'm happy to say it's been about 8 months since I needed an inhaler now and I feel confident saying my asthma is gone.

But my point is, I believe you can get rid of your asthma but I don't think azi alone will do it. I'm convinced the combination abx protocol is necessary. So do try to convince your doctor to do CAPi or find a doctor who will or I'm afraid you won't completely get rid of your asthma. And, believe me, as miserable as the CAP treatment can be at times (and it will be), it's so worth it to be able to breath freely again!

 

 

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Congratulations on finding out about Cpni and this site.  I think if you follow the protocol, it will help you.  However, where did you come up with a "12 wk" time frame?  There is no set time that it will take for you to clear your body of Cpn.  It may take a year or several years, there's no way to know ahead of time.

What we do know ahead of time is that if you start the CAPi treatment and stop it before your system has been cleared, you will become reinfected eventually.  So, I would suggest you stick with it for as long as it takes, until you have no reaction to the CAP for a period of time, likely several months at least.

best, John

RRMSi/EDSSi was 4.5, 5, 6, 6.5, 6.9999, 6.5 on Wheldon/Stratton Protocol beginning 04/12/2006
naci 4x600 mg/day
doxycycline 2x100mg/day
azithromycin 3x250mg/day MWF
metronidazolei 3x400mg/day then 3x500mg/day

Hello Protocol and

Hello Protocol and welcome...

I started out with the exact experience 3 years ago (and am still far from well) -- vertigo after a bout of what I thought was a severe case of bronchitis... I continued to get very ill was tested and it was determine that I had (have) CPNi.  I was told in previous years that I had "asthmatic-type symptoms" but never officially diagnosed with asthma... I also had many other illnesses in the precluding  years that some  here on this site call "generally falling aparti syndrome". 

Have you been tested, or do you know if you have chlamydia pneumoniae?  Because if you do, the monotherapy of Azithromycin will not erradicate it.  I have read Dr. Hahn's protocol here. <

Take some time to explore and read this site, learn and ask questions... most doctors are not familiar with how to treat this insidiuous bacteria.  There is a wealth of information on this site and many knowledable people....

 JeanneRoz

 

 

JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi<; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni