Cpnhelp.org - Chlamydia Pneumoniae Treatment

Hello r0n, A good place to start is with the patient stories tab at the top of this page. 

I've read you sign in page and see you are looking for information for your partner and found us by searching for Dr Wheldon and that she is interested in the antibiotic treatment and that you are from the UK. 

There is a lot to learn and no easy answers.   Start with the stories and then the getting started tab I think you will find them both very interesting.

Louise, CFSi. CPnPositive. BbPositive. WheldonCAP began6/24/07. NACi,Doxyi, Roxi,FullTiniPulses. Intermittent Cholestyramine,1-2packets, at bedtime,most often with pulses,and as needed, for Phorphoria & liposacaride Endotoxini Die-OffExperiences.

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Louise  CFSi, CPN+/Bb+, Wheldon CAPi 6/07, Cholestyramine 1-2 pks @ HS for Porphoria & Endotoxinsi PRN, Doxy100daily, Roxi300BID, Tinii 500mgBID pulses, VitD3-4000IU, Magnascent Iodine,{S.O.D.3/QD[KAL Brand], +Pyruvate 3.75G +SAM-e For Energy support

I know that you will get a lot more educated answers, but I have been studying the protocol for a couple months and have been on it since May 1, 2008. You need to spend some time reading David Wheldons MSi pages about Cpni and it does a lot to explain what you are asking. There is no quick cut and dried answer. MS is a complex neurological condition and Cpn can cause the body to be drained and sick at a cellular level causing a huge variety of symptoms. Once the bacteria is erradicated, a lot of symtoms improve or dissappear. I don't think that the treatment claims to cure MS, but it has helped quite a few people to regain their health. The lesions that are present have diminished and it has put the disease in remission. I am hoping for that for me.  

SPMSi< Supplementsi & NACi, Doxyi 100 mg, Azith 250 mg 3X/wk

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SPMSi< Supplementsi & NACi, Doxyi 200 mg, Azith 250 mg 3X/wk, most suppliments, currently Flagyli 1500 mg x 3 days once per month

Welcome rOn, My answer to your basic question would have to be in the affirmative for me personally - at least it is looking that way now - that it is a cure. It has been a long, very difficult almost four years, but I was well on my way to being a blind, blithering idiot in a wheelchair. Almost every day I was much worse mentally and physicaly and continued that way for months after beginning abxi. Now it is reversed and every day, except when on flagyli and its aftermath, I have slight inprovement. It has been worth every bit of hardship.

 

Rica PPMSi EDSSi 6.7 at beginning - now 2. Began CAPi Sept, 2004 with Rifampin 150 mg 2xd, Doxyi 100 mg 2xd, added regular pulses Jan 2005. Jan 2006 switched to Doxy, Azith, cont. flagyl total 50 pulses NC USA

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Rica PPMSi EDSSi 6.7 at beginning - now 2. Began CAPi Sept, 2004 with Rifampin 150 mg 2xd, Doxyi 100 mg 2xd, added regular pulses Jan 2005. Jan 2006 switched to Doxy, Azith, cont. flagyli total 53 pulses LDNi Rifampin 8/08 again NC USA

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I think of it as "EFFECTIVE TREATMENT" that directly weakens and destroys  co-causative elements (Cpni, Mpn, Bb) and indirectly addresses other co-causative elements by knocking down the pathogen load and normalizing the immunei system.  I have trouble using the word cure when I know that to ensure wellness, there are supplementsi that should be continued for the rest of the former MSer's life.  I don't consider either the CAPi or continued supplementsi to be "suppressive."  NACi is preventive of re-infection and supportive of glutathione levels.  Disease prevention and maintenance of sufficient glutathione is important for the good health of anyone, whether they have ever suffered from a chronic inflammatory illness or not. 

Our CAP prescriber seriously doubts that Cpn can ever be 100% eradicated.  Perhaps not, but it can be stomped so low that the subsequently improved immune system can keep it in check.  Despite the doc's attitude, our attitude is set for eradication.  Charge!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joyce~caregiver-advocate in Dallas for Steve J (SPMSi).  CAP since August 06, Cpn, Mpn, B. burgdorferi, systemic candidiasis, EBVi, CMV & other herpes family viral infectionsi, elevated heavy metals, gluten+casein sensitivity. 

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Joyce~caregiver-advocate in Dallas for Steve J (SPMSi).  CAPi since August 06, Cpni, Mpn, B. burgdorferi, systemic candidiasis, EBVi, CMV & other herpes family viral infectionsi, elevated heavy metals, gluten+casein sensitivity. 

In other diseasesi, there's never any requirement that a 'cure' mean complete reversion to the way one was before the disease. We still speak of a 'cure' for TB, even if it does leave behind permanent lung scarring, or a 'cure' for cancer, even if the patient is left mangled by surgery or damaged by radiation. The standards for what constitutes a cure in Cpni treatment should be no different. At this stage of the game, it is wise to speak somewhat tentatively of whether cures have been or will be achieved -- that needs to be left to the test of time -- but cures are definitely the objective here.

If for some reason the word 'remission' does have to be used, how about "remission with extreme prejudice"?